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Unread 07-04-2013, 05:13 PM   #1
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I have a 78 cj5 with a 304 and a 600cfm Edelbrock...I want to beef up the hp but don't want to upgrade to the 360 or 401. What's the advice? It's just for fun, no racing...

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Unread 07-04-2013, 05:41 PM   #2
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I suppose the question is how far are you willing to go?

Most here will tell you to scrub the 304 but whose actually spent some time to work with what's already there?

Are you able to clean up the ports in the head? I don't mean a full-blown porting job but can you run a grinder or dremel with some skill?
Are you opposed to shelling out a few extra bucks for a cam that's ground for those little valves?
Machine work: Is this a full rebuild or a bolt on kind of deal?

What are your thoughts?


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Unread 07-04-2013, 05:48 PM   #3
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I'm open to just about anything. I just bought this in march and it has a 304 that was original to this jeep. It's in great shape and was recently rebuilt. Buying a 360 would cost me 5 grand and a 401 8 grand. Since this is for playing, I'd be more interested in maximizing what I have. I haven't looked into anything yet, but I would like to get the most bang for my buck?
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Unread 07-04-2013, 05:52 PM   #4
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You can buy a used 360 for thousands less. Find an old truck with a 360 or 401 and maybe only pay $500 for the whole thing. If you can drive it home, you know you got a good engine that will give you more torque and hp than a 304 can make for $500.
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Unread 07-04-2013, 05:54 PM   #5
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You can buy a used 360 for thousands less. Find an old truck with a 360 or 401 and maybe only pay $500 for the whole thing. If you can drive it home, you know you got a good engine that will give you more torque and hp than a 304 can make for $500.
What vehicles should I be looking for to get those engines? Wagoneer?
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Unread 07-04-2013, 05:55 PM   #6
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yes and I think J-20 trucks...
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Unread 07-04-2013, 06:13 PM   #7
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Let me know if you want to pursue 304 mods or just swap out to a bigger engine.


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Unread 07-04-2013, 06:34 PM   #8
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Let me know if you want to pursue 304 mods or just swap out to a bigger engine.

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Help me out with 304 mods please! I'm looking for a steal on a 360 or 401, but I'm not finding anything...
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Unread 07-04-2013, 06:34 PM   #9
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You can also look at javelins
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Unread 07-04-2013, 07:20 PM   #10
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Well let's evaluate your current engine. How's the hot, idle oil pressure? Have you run a compression check?

If that checks out ok to good, you'll have to decide if you want to tramp it for a used engine or build up what you have.

Personally, I don't see any reason why you can't approach 1 hp per cubic inch without getting stupid. I've done more ported, OEM head/cam swap combos than I can remember. It's usually worth it, depending on what you really want.


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Unread 07-04-2013, 07:33 PM   #11
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I'm open to just about anything. I just bought this in march and it has a 304 that was original to this jeep. It's in great shape and was recently rebuilt. Buying a 360 would cost me 5 grand and a 401 8 grand. Since this is for playing, I'd be more interested in maximizing what I have. I haven't looked into anything yet, but I would like to get the most bang for my buck?
Bought a 360 for $300. You don't have to pay that much.
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Unread 07-04-2013, 07:55 PM   #12
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Well let's evaluate your current engine. How's the hot, idle oil pressure? Have you run a compression check?

If that checks out ok to good, you'll have to decide if you want to tramp it for a used engine or build up what you have.

Personally, I don't see any reason why you can't approach 1 hp per cubic inch without getting stupid. I've done more ported, OEM head/cam swap combos than I can remember. It's usually worth it, depending on what you really want.

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Hot idle oil pressure ranges from 10-20 psi up to max 50 or 60 at high rpm. I would prefer to build what I have.
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Unread 07-04-2013, 07:56 PM   #13
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Bought a 360 for $300. You don't have to pay that much.
If I was gonna go up in size, I would probably like to go 401 just to make it worth it. Is the 360 really that much stronger than the 304?
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Unread 07-04-2013, 08:34 PM   #14
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yes and I think J-20 trucks...
J 4000 as well.
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Unread 07-04-2013, 09:19 PM   #15
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I swapped out the 304 in mine for a 401, and yes there is a big difference. If you already have a 4 barrell carb and intake then get a good set of plug wires and some headers with glass packs.
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