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post #1 of 114 Old 02-04-2009, 06:22 AM Thread Starter
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headlight mods.....

I know this has been discussed before, but still am curious as to what all of you are running for headlights on your cj's.....
I assume the "holy grail" for headlights is the HID conversion, but for my budget $$$$ are an issue.
I have heard Silver Stars are good, but seem to have poor longevity. I also see 29.95 H4 conversions on the online auction site, but I am assuming cheap plastic import hear (read fire danger/cracked plastic?). My local NAPA dude is sold on Wagner TruViews, yet I have also seen Wagner Brite Stars as well. Yet another article I have read basically says that scientifically there is no basis for one color being better than the other (more white vs blue) then we thow the wiring relays into the circuit on top of everything else! Lotsa' information to digest, hoping you can help me (and maybe others) out with the options.
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post #2 of 114 Old 02-04-2009, 06:27 AM
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The wiring upgrade is a good idea, no matter what lights you have.
I have the H4's on mine and I'm happy with them.

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post #3 of 114 Old 02-04-2009, 06:47 AM
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Cheap H4's are stinky. Alot of the benefit of them comes from good reflectors, although almost anything 'modern' is better than a stock 7" sealed beam on factory wires.

I have run the silver stars (improved sealed beams) in old VW buses for years, since they are 'cheap' compared to Hella H4s. The silver stars last about as long as any other sealed beam. I have not noticed some major decrease in MTBF on those, few years either way.

H4s have a higher initial investment, with good ones running almost $100 a pair. However long term you just get to replace the h4 bulb. Better wiring and relay control is also a great improvement.

I plan on h4's on my current 74 project.

You will need on most cars to improve the wiring/run relay if you plan on stuffing increased watt bulbs on h4, and will get improvements on any lamp otherwise in most cases.
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post #4 of 114 Old 02-04-2009, 07:34 AM
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Best thing I did for my headlights was the 'Silver Star' bulbs and power relays to get some current to the darn things!

You simply would not believe how strangled for current the CJ head light wiring is!
This isn't difficult, it isn't dangerous, and it makes a HUGE difference in the amount of current the head lights get!
Just changing to relays probably added 1/3 more usable light to the highway for me,
and believe me, With 50 year old eyes that have been flash blinded by welders, had metal fragments dug out of them, ect., that 1/3 is the difference between seeing and getting a deer in the passenger seat with me!

The Silver Star bulbs do seem to burn out a little faster, but they add so much Usable Light to the road it's worth the expensive for me!
The 'Cool Blue' light the make works better with the human eye, so I see better at night with them.

Mine have been in two, or three years now, no problems, but we run them in the display trucks too, and the square ones don't seem to last as long.
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I put H-4 conversions in my FSJ (again, with 'Cool Blue' bulbs) and they seem to do fine, even at night.
The FSJ doesn't take near the beating the little CJ's do...
And that is why I didn't use H-4 bulbs in the CJ's, I didn't know how those expensive bulbs and reflectors would stand up in a trail CJ...
Though I'd test them out in the FSJ first before spending a crap load of money on the CJ's, but now I'm convinced the Silver Star bulbs are the way to go in the CJ!

Not quite as much light as the H-4 bulbs/reflectors, but they seem to hold up to the pounding I give the little jeeps!

Again, this is just my opinion, all subjective,
But at least form someone that has actually used both conversions and tried the relays first hand...
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I have the wring diagrams, and pictures of the parts if you need that kind of stuff...

Sealed Relays out of Junk Yard Cadillac, cost $1 with bracket, harness and all! Sealed, so you can submerge them if you want to!



This is a common relay which I have added circuit breakers to for the head lights.
With circuit breakers, even if something shorts out, the lights will continue to come back on over and over again, so you aren't driving blind...
That's so you can get stopped after hitting a deer or something!
(Safety issue!)



Here are some links to things I tried at one time or another...

http://www.junkyardgenius.com/wiring...eadrelay04.gif
http://www.junkyardgenius.com/wiring...ghtRelayP3.gif
http://www.junkyardgenius.com/wiring...ghtRelayP1.gif
http://www.junkyardgenius.com/wiring...ghtRelayP4.gif


Like I said, I tried a BUNCH of different things, so if you have any questions, I'd be glad to share what I learned...

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post #5 of 114 Old 02-04-2009, 07:47 AM
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JeepHammer,

I'd love to see the wiring diagrams and parts numbers for the relays and actual lamps you used as mine are struggling big time for current.

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What is the budget?
You said something about 30 bucks, so I am not so sure how high you will go.
I did this for 80 bucks...

http://www.certifiablejeep.com/headlight.php

Worth every penny.

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I went with these. They work great.
http://www.quadratec.com/products/97009_110.htm
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I went with these. They work great.
http://www.quadratec.com/products/97009_110.htm
I'm glad I saw this thread, I was actually going to research these today!! Looks like I just found another way to drop $100 in 10 minutes!
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I love my Silver Stars and not had a burn out problem.
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Silver Stars made a huge difference from stock in mine. I use them in all of my cars and have only had 1 go out in 3 years.

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Hey guys, thanks for all the input! I will probably try the silver star route with the relay upgrade hammer is recomending....starting to warm up a little up here in the frozen north, so gotta' start with the "jeep" list!
(PS..Keep the thread going if any of you have more to add)
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I would second the relay thing, I did mine about 5 years ago when I had to replace the headlight switch. Then the headlights would flash and the switch was getting hot and kicking out. The relays solved that problem, I picked up some new headlight plugs and will be running bigger wire to them.
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I'm a relay junky.
Keep my wires from burning up, (and AMC/Jeep wires were all pretty much too small for their applications!)
Keeps things supplied with large amounts of clean current,
And when something fails, it REALLY limits the amount of failure points and expedites diagnosis.

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X2! Alot better to fry just a relay than a whole harness!

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post #15 of 114 Old 02-05-2009, 12:46 PM
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If your looking at an H4 bulb type setup there are cheap reflectors, but make sure it's glass and not plastic.
It's all about heat and water proofing.

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