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Unread 06-23-2013, 07:55 PM   #16
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TJ is slow as well, so don't figure you will be going any faster.
I'm guessing you haven't driven a Rubicon with 4.10 gears.

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Unread 06-23-2013, 08:08 PM   #17
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If I were buying another TJ .and wanted to go trail riding. It would be a Rubicon.
Front and rear lockers. With a LSD in 2wd.
4 to 1 np241 rock trac transfer case.
Dana 44 axles ( not the same 44 as the '86 CJ )
Rear disc brakes standard
Pretty darn good radio with a subwoofer. Woofer makes the center consul all but useless.
And it has 2 cup holders in the correct location.
O, backing up at night , there is a bad glare on the drivers mirror/door window from the dash lights.
Nothing classic or simplistic about the TJ . Just like every other new Jeep or SUV. Or any newer vehicle.

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1973 J 4000,
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1979 CJ7 360, TH400/Quadratrac trail Jeep.
1979 J20
1980 CJ5 trail Jeep.
1983 CJ7 pretty weekend and sometimes to work Driver in the summer, My first rebuild, if the Q-trac and 5 are broke, this one is the one to take. its just as capable as the other 2, except nice paint.
1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
2005 TJ Rubicon.
2011 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4, Mrs. LUCDOG's DD.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 08:21 PM   #18
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I joined the "I'll have both" club. I guess I'm lucky because Ive been driving CJs for about 22 years. They have been very reliable and run nice. I got the TJ for the MPFI, airbags, coils, and available parts OEM and aftermarket. I will still own and drive the classic CJ.

This may not appy for the OP...but Ive found that in a lot of cases, when a CJ is purchase as a fixer upper OR for a low price (under 3 grand), the new owner dumps a ton of time and cash into it and gets burned out. Ive seen more than a few basket cases have 4 times their value put into fixing them only to be sold to the next guy at a fraction of the investment when in fact 90% of the Jeep is now new or complete. The PO just thinks, that's it, no more....
I did the opposite and paid 8 grand for mine in 1991....enjoyed it for 160K more miles and many many years....
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Unread 06-23-2013, 08:32 PM   #19
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I like them both. I got the CJ because I could get into it cheaper, build it up. In the end its probably even money getting them were I want.
If I could have a CJ7 with a TJ suspension, and axles of my choice, that would be killer.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 08:51 PM   #20
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My thoughts are this:

Fuel injection
Coil suspension
WAAAAY more aftermarket support
And a 2 hr drive (in the CJ) to the closest legal wheeling. 1.5 hr in any other vehicle
Fuel injection - I went with a 90's era TBI.

Support - older than 76 seems to be not a whole lot of AM stuff. BUT, if you look hard it is there, or newer stuff fits or can be adapted. Or fabricated.

Coil suspension - Flat Springs are simple, and no coils to come loose, no track bar issues, or link adjustment. Coils ride better and IMO have an advantage in clearance issues.

Wheelin's fun in either vehicle.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 09:22 PM   #21
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Wheelin's fun in either vehicle.
What's wheeling?

My CJ has seen a trail once tho seasonal far- trailered to it.

And twice last season, again trailered
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Unread 06-23-2013, 09:44 PM   #22
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I like them both. I got the CJ because I could get into it cheaper, build it up. In the end its probably even money getting them were I want.
If I could have a CJ7 with a TJ suspension, and axles of my choice, that would be killer.
Throttle down kustoms hybrid frame. If I had the extra cash laying around I would build another cj off this platform
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Unread 06-24-2013, 05:08 AM   #23
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The appeal of the simpler technology of the CJ very valid but the TJ platform is a good compromise, IMHO.
Coil v. Leaf springs = leaf's are simpler without all of those control arms, bars, etc. but the coils are nice on the highway and still work off road.
Dashboards = the CJ wins hands down on durability, weather resistance and ease of repair, The TJ is a little more street friendly
258ci inline 6 v. the 4.0 liter inline 6 = The 258 with a carburetor and distributor was a great motor; The 4.0L with fuel injection and coil packs is even better!
I like working on simple vehicles when it's just for fun. I like not being required to work on vehicles when I need to drive them.
If the fun factor was the thing that attracted you to the CJ and the fun factor is gone, it's time to move on.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 08:07 AM   #24
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What's wheeling?

My CJ has seen a trail once tho seasonal far- trailered to it.

And twice last season, again trailered
Wheeling as in 4-wheeling, Jeeping, trail riding.

I drive mine to all the local trails etc. But if i go very far, like ~100 miles I load it on the trailer.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 08:18 AM   #25
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Wheeling as in 4-wheeling, Jeeping, trail riding.

I drive mine to all the local trails etc. But if i go very far, like ~100 miles I load it on the trailer.
That was sarcasm....
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Unread 06-24-2013, 08:44 AM   #26
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There's just some THING about a CJ. To me they just seem to have a soul. I also like the fact that they were made by AMC (never have been a Chrysler fan) . Guess I'm a little nostalgic. Ya, you should probably sell it and let someone else cherish it now. Best of luck!
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Unread 06-24-2013, 08:51 AM   #27
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Not saying I don't like it...

When I get to drive it, I love it.

But it's one thing after another.
I realize that's part of owning a classic.

But DANG!

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Unread 06-24-2013, 09:58 AM   #28
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Your right it is part of owning a classic. The newest CJ is 27 years old. I own a TJ because I couldn't keep my CJ on the road. While my 86 CJ does have the cool factor the TJ is more comfortable for cruising and is way more reliable.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 11:12 AM   #29
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If you want reliability, get a newer TJ. After all a CJ will be at least 27 years old. If you want a classic and reliability, and you have a clean CJ to start with (not from the rust belt) spend some dough and do a body off restoration where you can replace worn parts and then dump in a newer FI, computer controlled motor/tranny combo. Then you will have a classic that will get you anywhere, anytime. And you will spend less than half the cost of a new ride. Keep your DD car for long trips.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 11:18 AM   #30
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If you want reliability, get a newer TJ. After all a CJ will be at least 27 years old. If you want a classic and reliability, and you have a clean CJ to start with (not from the rust belt) spend some dough and do a body off restoration where you can replace worn parts and then dump in a newer FI, computer controlled motor/tranny combo. Then you will have a classic that will get you anywhere, anytime. And you will spend less than half the cost of a new ride. Keep your DD car for long trips.
Sounds easy enough....

And no down time!
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