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post #46 of 62 Old 06-24-2011, 04:32 AM Thread Starter
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No not really.
It just looked like the primary & secondary shoes looked to have the same length of material.
Usually the primary has less.

I've checked this at mount time... but now when I see my pics , It's looks like you're RIGHT


Here the old one : we clearly see the difference... It's NOT the case with NEW ones... I think REALLY I've done a mistake and mixed THEM!!!...



I'll check it again this afternoon...

I'll tell you...

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post #47 of 62 Old 06-24-2011, 05:21 AM Thread Starter
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Well!

I've checked my other pics on the other side ... and you're definitively RIGHT there is only the smaller( primary shoes) :I've mixed them!!!



I'm VERY sorry about this mistake and I'll fix it as soon as possible

Very thanks! LT1CJ7

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and...I have no mitigating with ALL this pics!!!

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I learned something.. Thank you LT1CJ7!

Oh no! On my CJ I have mounted my shoes conversely!
On the manual this difference is not in evidence..! I have read only primary and secondary shoe.. there difference only on the drawing, but can't see unless you know.

With the less shoe in the secondary position what happens?

What is the function of this difference?
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No not really.
It just looked like the primary & secondary shoes looked to have the same length of material.
Usually the primary has less.
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post #50 of 62 Old 06-24-2011, 08:39 AM
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I'm VERY sorry about this mistake and I'll fix it as soon as possible

Very thanks! LT1CJ7

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Your very welcome!
No need to apologize,
Even the best of us goof or learn something new once in a while.
Keep up the good work.
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I learned something.. Thank you LT1CJ7!

Oh no! On my CJ I have mounted my shoes conversely!
On the manual this difference is not in evidence..! I have read only primary and secondary shoe.. there difference only on the drawing, but can't see unless you know.

With the less shoe in the secondary position what happens?

What is the function of this difference?
Thanks..
Your very welcome.
The smaller primary shoe will catch the drum surface and energizing the secondary into a rotational force pair.
The rotation of the drum will drag both of the shoes into the friction surface of the shoes, causing the brakes to bite harder, which increases the braking force.
I would change them around to be proper.
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post #52 of 62 Old 05-21-2012, 05:54 PM
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Shims

Just the left side that has a special features ...

It has a shim between the trumpet of the axle housing and the flange which we will try to find the right the thickness now...

So a shim (currently at random OR you can put your OLD shim)



the 4 new screws (ALWAYS GRADE 8)



To be continued...[/QUOTE]


When you say left are you talking the driver's side or the passenger side? Thanks for the write up!
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post #53 of 62 Old 05-22-2012, 01:17 AM Thread Starter
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Hello,

This is, of course, the driver side

Thanks for the congrats

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20 rebuild

Stgl, Can I just use the old shims off the carrier and the pinion if all I did was replace the original carrier with a limited slip stock unit? Even if I replaced all the bearings and crush sleeve. Thanks for your input.
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model20 rebuild

Can I reuse the shims on the carrier and pinion if all I changed was the carrier? I made the mistake of not getting measurements on the pinion before I pulled it. Any help is great. I want to keep my 20. Thanks
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Can I reuse the shims on the carrier and pinion if all I changed was the carrier? I made the mistake of not getting measurements on the pinion before I pulled it. Any help is great. I want to keep my 20. Thanks
Hello,

Not at all: you change one component (the carrier) so every measure must be checked. In other words you CAN'T reuse your old shims without checking all the measure: Backlash, pinion depth and so on...

BTW... you not only change the carrier... you replace its bearings too

Good luck...

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stgil, can I check and set the pinion up without having the pinion depth tools?
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post #58 of 62 Old 03-20-2013, 06:20 PM
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Just the left side that has a special features ...

It has a shim between the trumpet of the axle housing and the flange which we will try to find the right the thickness now...

So a shim (currently at random OR you can put your OLD shim)



the 4 new screws (ALWAYS GRADE 8)



To be continued...


Add or delete shims until 0.004" - 0.008" End Play is achieved. You need a dial indicator mounted to check this.


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post #59 of 62 Old 03-21-2013, 03:49 AM Thread Starter
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Add or delete shims until 0.004" - 0.008" End Play is achieved. You need a dial indicator mounted to check this.

Hi Keith !



as shown >>> HERE <<< too, did I a mistake ?

@77repeej:

without depth tools... the only other way is the pattern reading (paint on gears)... a little bit fuzzy (and long) for beginners...

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Know this is an old thread, but where did you get the "final shims" you used on the carrier?

Stacking thin shims thick enough to get the proper preload could make getting the carrier in place be horrible. I notice you didn't have to use a case spreader using the thick OEM type one piece shims.

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