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Unread 08-23-2008, 04:10 PM   #1
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Engine Swap from Wagoneer and top

I have a 1984 cj7 with a 4 cyl 5spd. I have recently been looking at getting an AMC360. I have been reading a lot that If I wanted to do this I should be looking at Grand Wagoneers. I have been able to find a few of them that the owers are willing to sell me extrmely cheap.

I'm just concerend what else besides the engine and transmission can I use from them? If I wanted AC can I put a GW AC in a cj7?

With that much power I assume I should stick to AT instead of a stick transmission but not sure?

If I find a stick should I look at converting it to a AT? A stick doesn't bother me I do live in southern cali so i'm use to the traffic.

With the GW is there a particular transmission I should be looking at?

I have read about the amc 306 swaps so i'm assuiming it would be the same info more or less?

As for electrical If I get a painless harness would it be for a cj7 or for a wagoneer?

Finally random question. I also got a great deal on a family bar. Since I currently have a hard top when I order a soft top for it would I say it's from a 1994 since that's what it came from I just would like to order the correct top.

I'm just wondering what everyone's advice would be? I'm sorry for all the questions. This site has been so helpful for me I can't thank you all enough.

thanks,

christopher

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Unread 08-27-2008, 11:55 PM   #2
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I"m sorry for the all the questions but does anyone have any advice for me?

Thanks,

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Unread 08-28-2008, 08:07 AM   #3
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To answer the question about the tranny, I would go with a stick personally. Or whatever comes with the engine would probably be the easiest way to do things. You are definetly going to want to replace the t5 tranny if you are dropping a 360 in. A/c you can make work with some planning. I dont think it would be to hard to do. then again i dont have or need ac.The soft top order for the year of your vehicle. it will fit over the family bar
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Unread 08-28-2008, 08:59 AM   #4
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Yes, it's the same as an AMC 304 swap. You'll just need CJ V8 motor/frame mounts because the CJ frame is more narrow than the Wagoneer.

You can use the D44 axles with some work.

Transmission is mainly a preference. For a manual, I'd go with a T176 as it will bolt to the D300. For an auto, probably a TF or TH400

The electrical isn't too difficult. And as far as the ignition, I would go with a "Team Rush" ...search it and you'll find lots of info(I'll be doing it to mine when I get some funds.)
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Unread 08-28-2008, 09:07 AM   #5
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I was just going to say since you have the 4 cylinder that's the chevy bolt pattern so maybe look at a chevy truck for an engine and axle swap? anyway grand wagoneers 86-91 have a centered rear dana 44 if an axle swap is in your plans... try searching the the forum I had a thread similar to this a few days ago
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Unread 08-28-2008, 09:55 AM   #6
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Yes, it's the same as an AMC 304 swap. You'll just need CJ V8 motor/frame mounts because the CJ frame is more narrow than the Wagoneer.
If your engine is sourced from a FSJ, you will also need CJ block mounts.

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For an auto, probably a TF or TH400
All automatic FSJ's 1980-up have a TF-727's, which accept Dana 300's without any aftermarket adapters. If you run the 727 with a D300, you must ensure that you have adequate lift, or you will have interference issues with the trans and front driveshaft. I believe the generally accepted minimum is 4", but I would want a little more room.

The FSJ manual drivetrains are not easily compatible with CJ's. The T-176/177's have long input shafts and spacers on the front of the trans to the bellhousing to place the shifter in the proper location within the longer FSJ body. You also don't want to bother with an 80's J-20 T-18/208J setup. A CJ T-176/D300 will be fine behind the 360 and will bolt together just as if it was behind a 304 or 258.

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The electrical isn't too difficult.
Take the 360's engine harness along with it into the CJ. Just unplug the whole thing from the firewall.

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I was just going to say since you have the 4 cylinder that's the chevy bolt pattern so maybe look at a chevy truck for an engine and axle swap?
No. The transmission behind the 4-cyl will not hold up behind a V8. People are lured into doing this due to the Chevy bolt pattern and they learn their lesson the hard way. Either take the entire Chevy engine/trans/transfer case, or stick with the known compatibility of the AMC drivelines.
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Unread 08-28-2008, 08:25 PM   #7
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Unread 08-28-2008, 08:47 PM   #8
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I was just going to say since you have the 4 cylinder that's the chevy bolt pattern so maybe look at a chevy truck for an engine and axle swap? anyway grand wagoneers 86-91 have a centered rear dana 44 if an axle swap is in your plans... try searching the the forum I had a thread similar to this a few days ago
I think in 84 Jeep was using the AMC 4 banger.. could be wrong though.
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The Grand Waggy's with the centered Dana in the rear will have the drivers side drop tcase, and drivers side diff. on the front axle. Usually not what we want in a CJ. (Yes it can be made to work, and some prefer it)
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Unread 09-01-2008, 05:33 PM   #10
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I just wanted to thank you to everyone. I know that I had a lot of questions.

So it sounds like when I get the amc360 I need take the transmission as well and to go with either the transmission it came with a T176 or for an auto, probably a TF or TH400

And the jury's still out for the axl replacement if I try to use the axls on a wagonneer.

Any advice on what I can do with the axls so upgrade them? It will be a DD but I will be using it when I to camping and some offroad?

Thanks again,

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