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keith460 08-07-2013 06:16 PM

Engine Internal Coolant Leak
 
I almost hate putting this up on the forum but, we are all family here and things happen to the best of us....

Just when I think my CJ-7 is just about perfect driving around, I get a good slap in the face of reality! I have an internal engine coolant leak that must be dealt with ASAP. :(

I suspected something was amiss a few months ago when I brought the Jeep out of its winter hibernation and started driving around on the weekends and noticed a coolant drop in the radiator that I did not have before. I topped it off with a 50/50 mix and about a month later, I saw the temperature gauge rising again towards the hot side. Having the Jeep for over 30 years I have never seen this happen before but I checked the coolant level again. Sure enough, it is low once again! I inspected things a little closer this time but could find absolutely no coolant leaks on any hoses, radiator and pulling the spark plugs revealed nothing. :dunno: There is no white smoke while the engine is running nor is there any signs of a coolant leak visible anywhere. I pulled the oil cap off the valve cover and noticed small amounts of what looked like condensation that had not burned off yet... so I thought. No signs of water or coolant mixing with the engine oil either. Oil level is right at the full mark and not over.

I borrowed a Coolant Pressure Test tool from a friend at work and proceeded to diagnose the problem. Found my radiator cap was bad so I replaced thinking coolant was blowing out the overflow tube and never saw it. I also pressure tested the system after the engine warmed up, built up pressure to 15psi and checked on it every hour. No drop in pressure and after a full night of being under pressure, it only dropped 1 psi. So I still had 14psi of pressure in the system. What gives? No pressure drop, new radiator cap am I good to go now?

Nope. Losing coolant again after another two weeks of driving so now it is time to take the valve cover off and have a look.

Ahh, that's not good!
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While the cover was off, I could see fresh coolant in the back of the cylinder head by the #6 cylinder around the push rods and rocker arms. Even took some on my finger and tasted it and confirmed it was 50/50 coolant mix.
OK, let me check the torque on all the head bolts why I have the valve cover off. After rebuild in 2009, I reused the same factory head bolts and torqued them to 85ft/lbs as specified. So now I do a recheck and torque them to 90ft/lbs. Put the valve cover back on, and call it a day....

Two weeks later, I take the Jeep out again for a 100 mile drive along the Delaware river to our sister company and on the return trip, we start to see the temperature gauge moving towards the hot side again. Halfway home already, I pull into a small service garage and ask to borrow their hose for water. No problem, take all the water you need, so I proceeded to cool the radiator down with water from the hose before attempting to remove the cap.

While I'm squirting down the radiator, I decided to check the oil cap again for condensation/coolant and this is what it looked like. That's a full blown internal leak if I ever saw one!
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_0033.jpg

Now we limp home for the next 25 miles taking it easy with a full radiator of water and keeping the rpm's low. Jeep sits until this past Monday when I got a chance to take the valve cover off again to inspect what I feel will be bad.... and it is.

Rocker Arms coated in oil and coolant.
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Valve Cover coated in thick deposits of coolant and oil.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_0064.jpg

Oil draining out of engine is milky in color.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_0035.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...k/IMG_0034.jpg

So that's my story! Now I must deal with it and I am open to other suggestions for those that may have experienced this type of coolant loss before.

1. I have already purchased new cylinder head gasket, Felpro like the one that is already in there, plus another one from Quadratec.

2. Bought a can of high temp copper sealant to put on the head gasket. Even though I have found no clear evidence that the Felpro gasket need or don't need sealant. FSM states to put sealant on head gasket though.

3. Two cork valve cover gaskets, can never have enough of those in stock.

4. 14 brand new ARP 7/16 head bolts that I bought from Summit Racing after searching the forum and finding the part numbers, thank you.

5. 14ea, washers for the head bolts as ARP recommends plus the assembly lube.

6. Two gallons of 50/50 coolant mix.

I'm betting on stretched OEM head bolts are the culprit or a head gasket that is blown because no sealant was applied and is now leaking. What do you guys think?

billybooster2 08-07-2013 06:23 PM

i think head gasket :) but it could be a crack in the block too.... id suggest a leak down test after you change the gasket.... confirming your work was the fix. If not, its undo it all and inspect closer! Good luck..

Guy Smilie 08-07-2013 06:39 PM

Wow, that is bad. I would guess head gasket also. I had a similar problem. I pulled the head but couldn't really see anything that bad with the gasket. I did have one head bolt that was bent? I replaced the gasket and head bolts and so far so good. I also did not use any thing on the gasket. Did you put any sealant on the head bolt in the front of the engine that goes thru a coolant passage?

keith460 08-07-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Smilie (Post 15768685)
Did you put any sealant on the head bolt in the front of the engine that goes thru a coolant passage?

Yes, the left front one gets the sealant.

No crack in the block, that I'm sure of.

Right now, I put a shroud over the engine hoping it can heal itself!

Hallelujah, amen.
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boojeep 08-07-2013 07:10 PM

Sweet. Keith is selling chocolate motor slushies. Gonna follow the wagon and lean towards the head gasket.

billybooster2 08-07-2013 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keith460

Yes, the left front one gets the sealant.

No crack in the block, that I'm sure of.

Right now, I put a shroud over the engine hoping it can heal itself!

Hallelujah, amen.

Is that from turin?

keith460 08-07-2013 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybooster2 (Post 15768826)
Is that from turin?

I won't go there. :)

KMD 08-07-2013 10:48 PM

Bummer. Hope the connecting rod bearings and cam bearings hold up after that bath of coolant.

Spieg8 08-07-2013 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMD (Post 15769723)
Bummer. Hope the connecting rod bearings and cam bearings hold up after that bath of coolant.

An engine flush would probably be a good idea after the leak is fixed.

LumpyGrits 08-08-2013 12:10 AM

Hope is just the HG that's bad:thumbsup:
Fingers crossed!;)
LG

keith460 08-08-2013 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spieg8 (Post 15769818)
An engine flush would probably be a good idea after the leak is fixed.

Wondering what to use as a good engine flush. Kerosene maybe? Or just change the oil a couple of times?

First I'm going to put my shop vac up on my mobile cart and use and old vacuum hose to suck up all the oil/coolant. Its what doctors would do when performing surgery plus, I've done it before on a friends car that had heavy sludge deposits in the engine. Works great and makes cleanup way easier.

gmakra 08-08-2013 04:55 AM

Kieth are you going to have the head magnafluxed?

Spieg8 08-08-2013 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keith460 (Post 15770075)
Wondering what to use as a good engine flush. Kerosene maybe? Or just change the oil a couple of times?

http://www.matthewhenson.com/henson_...sion/flush.jpg
Clean out what you can while you have it apart. Use a chemical flush, then change oil with some cheap stuff and run for 50 miles or so... then change it again with your regular oil.

WolfcreekCJ 08-08-2013 06:13 AM

Although its a totally different vehicle , My 04 Tahoe had a cracked head , 5.3 aluminum heads were notorious in those early years. Same symptoms as your jeep, the machinist missed it when he redid the heads , much to the dismay of the mechanic who had to rebuild it AGAIN for free, with a new head.

Matt1981CJ7 08-08-2013 06:25 AM

Damn......that's all I got, Keith.

Matt


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