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Unread 08-24-2014, 02:28 PM   #46
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Reviews like that, I take with a very large (picture cow lick) grain of salt. Lots of emotion with very little actual information. Misfires can result from many different factors. The engine being a stroker further complicates the issue. I hear about many more stroker failures than successes. "All but useless"? What does that mean?
As JeepHammer says, ask the shop about that case. I'm sure they'll remember and be happy to tell you about it.
Throwing a used engine in without opening it up to see what's what spooks me. I hate doing the same job twice. (especially those small jobs like engine swaps)

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Unread 08-25-2014, 12:14 PM   #47
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Thanks Firegod!

Really appreciate your input!! And, building consensus on course of action here makes me feel much better about going to these guys. Actually, hoping to get to this shop today to check it out!!

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Unread 08-25-2014, 04:30 PM   #48
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Hey Guys,

Stopped by the shop and was impressed ...

BTW - got these pics from their Facebook page ... didn't actually get to see them boring out an engine or anything, but did see most of the cars in the pics.

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What do you think? Maybe, wish me luck ... thinking the decision is made.

Thanks for all the help!!!
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Unread 08-25-2014, 04:37 PM   #49
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Were you able to express your concerns and did they make you all warm and fuzzy?


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Personally, I like how clean the shop is. No metal filings on the floor, no dirt, etc... It's not a race shop that's kept surgically clean, but pretty clean nonetheless. That's very important in an engine shop. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Hey Shawn,

Yep, LOL ... well, not warm and fuzzy, but I am looking forward to getting them my Jeep. Brought up the bad reviews and the owner definitely got a little nervous, but told that the guy with the 22 week job was paying as he went. I was a little bummed when I brought up the other review, where the reviewer was complaining that the shop had sent their crank out to another shop for some reason and that it was taking longer than it was supposed to and that it was $180 more than was estimated, so the person just cancelled or something? The guy flat-out denied that they ever send anything out to other shops ... maybe that was a special case that he forgot about ... ? Was a little concerned ... don't know, but with the warranty they give, I'm not too worried about it.

Basically, I liked him and their shop and like that they like Jeeps. The owner has 3 (I think), a YJ and 2 CJ's (CJ7 and a CJ2A). And, one of their main mechanics has a YJ and a big presence on NovaJeepers.com, which somebody said means allot.

I'm at least hoping that by bringing up the reviews, that they might think about that feedback and would make sure to ... do the right thing as far as my Jeep goes. Don't mean to imply that they'd ever do otherwise, but ... don't want to be naive etc.

Thanks allot again for you help and thoughts on this!!
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Personally, I like how clean the shop is. No metal filings on the floor, no dirt, etc... It's not a race shop that's kept surgically clean, but pretty clean nonetheless. That's very important in an engine shop. Good luck and keep us posted.
Hey Firegod!!

Thanks for that feedback!! I actually haven't seen as many machine shops as I'd like, so that helps hearing from you that it is clean. Really appreciate your input!! I will let you know how it turns out and will try to get pictures of the "action", so to speak ... i.e. pics of cylinders once they open it up etc.

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I'd probably go for it. Hammer was right about paying for the parts upfront and only a portion of the actual machine work; saving the lions share upon satisfactory completion.

The crank is an interesting deal so just ask him upfront what might constitute him having to job your crank out elsewhere and make sure he gets an "ok" from you before he
just ships it on out to someone else.

Either way, this should beat the snot out of some "reman" engine.


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I'd probably go for it. Hammer was right about paying for the parts upfront and only a portion of the actual machine work; saving the lions share upon satisfactory completion.

The crank is an interesting deal so just ask him upfront what might constitute him having to job your crank out elsewhere and make sure he gets an "ok" from you before he
just ships it on out to someone else.

Either way, this should beat the snot out of some "reman" engine.


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Hey Shawn,

Yeah, I think I'm going to "go for it"!!

They ask for $1500 up front, which should be about half (or a little less) of the total cost. I think that's fair ... you think?

Yeah, he flat out denied sending cranks to somebody else!? I don't know, I figure it's not worth making a major case out of that ... ?

Also, I asked if they paint their engines and he told me they paint every one ... except for new modern engines that may be problematic for some reason ... too much junk on them?

Then, he brought up going with a different cam for an extra $100 ... mentioning that I could put one in there for higher torque at lower RPM, but he said it would idle rougher. What do you think about that?

Thanks so much again!!!
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BTW - think after my bringing them to his attention, the shop owner has responded to the negative reviews offering to make things right. I think he's a class act ... definitely feel better about everything now.

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...Then, he brought up going with a different cam for an extra $100 ... mentioning that I could put
one in there for higher torque at lower RPM, but he said it would idle rougher. What do you think about that?

Thanks so much again!!!
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Noooo! I'm like Dennis the Menace trying not to push the button when someone brings up camshafts

But yes, there's a lot to be had with a cam swap, assuming it's a good grind for the engine. You can also get a bunch more torque
without getting into a rough idle.

What are you looking to get out of this engine and what exhaust will you be running? Gears and tire size is helpful, too.


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Hey Shawn, or Dennis the Menace as it were!! Lol!!!

Funny, just after posting the camshaft question, I just happened to click on another thread (http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/4-...-help-2662426/), saw your input and responses, and realized that such a discussion will get involved most certainly pushing into uncharted territory for me Which, is fine as this is stuff that I'd love to learn and understand!!

As far as exhaust - I installed Hedman Headders years ago ... single muffler. Tire size is currently is on the smaller size, so that will change down the road; I have a 2.5" inch lift, so will probably go with 31's, unless I install new shackles, in which case it will be 32's.

Have to double check on gear ratio; I've never done anything with that, so it's probably stock ... 2.73 or 3.07?

Thanks so much again for all your help!!
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Yours will have different requirements to get to the same place because he's got a 4.0 head. If you tell me what you're looking for from
the engine, I can throw out some ideas.


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Yours will have different requirements to get to the same place because he's got a 4.0 head. If you tell me what you're looking for from the engine, I can throw out some ideas.

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Hey Shawn,

I am a little embarrassed to tell you this, but I wasn't entirely sure how to answer your question on what I'm "looking for from the engine".
First thought was simply that I want more HP, but figured things are more complicated than that and maybe I should do a little research ... so I found this article for starters:
http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/en...for-your-jeep/

Anyway, I'm at work now, so no time to read throughout. Will pick it up later and will look for more related info.

BTW - at first I was concerned about "rough idle" ... and I'm rethinking that. Rough idle might even sound a little cool or a little meaner

One last thing I just thought of ... perhaps as I'm essentially getting a whole new engine, I should chuck the ICM I just put on there in favor of a new MSD control unit?

To be continued ...

Thanks again so much Dude!! You are the man!!
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