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Unread 06-22-2013, 10:01 AM   #31
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Is that a stock intake manifold?

I'm just thinking. I got a complete 80 258 with all emission stuff on it. It would be so easy just to swap the intake and exhaust....

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Unread 06-22-2013, 10:17 AM   #32
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Just curious but what kind of smog laws did CA have back in 78? Does it have to be retrofitted to current laws or to those in effect in 78? Reason I ask is that my 86 never had a cat, it wasn't required back in 86 in Ontario Canada. I realize that each country/province/state has different smog laws but mostly just my idle curiosity.

The 'cover' on your shifter looks, um, er well rather interesting......
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Unread 06-22-2013, 11:45 AM   #33
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NS, retro fit to yr made. Unless he goes FI and then I'm not sure what the Ca. law is.
The VERY BEST thing the OP can do now. Is a full FI switch. That will cost $$$$, it's the only way to go now.
Most of the smog crap you need, can't be found.
BTW, OP you bought the Jeep out of state......The smog issue is 110% all yours and yours alone.
You really should have done far more research........
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Unread 06-22-2013, 01:06 PM   #34
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TITOMARS: I had a feeling you were going to say that. Considering all of the missing parts, I'm looking pretty seriously into the swap option. Actually, I just got off the phone with junk yard that was recommended by someone earlier. Question- will that motor bolt up to my T18? Also, why do you say 91-95? I am willing and able to do the swap, but I want to make sure I know that I have all of the right parts and information first.

I found something on Craigslist. Check this out: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/ptd/3883361911.html

SLO_Ken: Fair assessment. As I'm weighing my options, I'm thinking how nice it would be to have some more power. My CJ smokes a little bit, which concerns me, regardless of what the odometer says. I recently changed the PCV valve, hose and grommet, and it cut the smoke by about 85%. It's also leaking oil. I'd originally thought from the valve cover gasket, but it seems it's coming from somewhere else. On top of all that, I would need a stock exhaust system.

Long story short, I think a swap might be the best option. One of the things that drew me to the original equipment is the simplicity, but the feeling I'm getting is that it's going to end up being more expensive and less efficient than doing a swap.

Anyone looking to buy a 258?
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Unread 06-22-2013, 01:14 PM   #35
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Never mind. Found some good swap articles!
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/4-...e-swap-455084/
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Unread 06-23-2013, 07:24 PM   #36
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Is anyone on here from AZ? According to what I've read, the Jeep wouldn't need to be smogged in AZ.

My parents have a house in AZ and I think that's my out! Their house is in Parker, and smog only applies to Tucson and Phoenix Areas. My only concern is the fact that I've already started the paperwork with CA. Can that be undone?
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Unread 06-23-2013, 07:47 PM   #37
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You had better git an AZ dl too.
Ck your "6" on do'n this as it is called FRAUD, which is a felony in Ca.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 08:20 PM   #38
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^^truth^^

You're asking for more problems than just with the air board.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 08:40 PM   #39
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Sorry, but I can't stand when people try to beat or work the system. Do the right thing......
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Unread 06-23-2013, 09:21 PM   #40
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Is anyone on here from AZ? According to what I've read, the Jeep wouldn't need to be smogged in AZ.

My parents have a house in AZ and I think that's my out! Their house is in Parker, and smog only applies to Tucson and Phoenix Areas. My only concern is the fact that I've already started the paperwork with CA. Can that be undone?
That is correct. Only Maricopa (Phoenix) and Pima (Tucson) Counties require emissions, unless vehicle is registered as historic, collector or pre-'68.

Unsure if you need a DL to register a vehicle, but proof of residency will be required...lease agreement from your parents...hint hint.

Or, title-register it under their name in AZ, just add you as an insured driver.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 09:56 PM   #41
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Is anyone on here from AZ? According to what I've read, the Jeep wouldn't need to be smogged in AZ.

My parents have a house in AZ and I think that's my out! Their house is in Parker, and smog only applies to Tucson and Phoenix Areas. My only concern is the fact that I've already started the paperwork with CA. Can that be undone?
Doesn't matter if it's registered in another state, or if you are a resident of another state. From the CA DMV website...

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Fees must be paid within 20 days of entry or residency to avoid penalties. Any vehicle owned by a California resident must be registered within 20 days of entry into California unless a special permit was obtained. Nonresidents whose vehicles are properly registered to them in their home state or jurisdiction may operate their vehicles in California until they:

Accept gainful employment in California.
Claim a homeowner's exemption in California.
Rent or lease a residence in California.
Intend to live or be located here on a permanent basis (for example, acquire a California driver license, acquire other licenses not ordinarily extended to a nonresident, registered to vote).
Enroll in an institution of higher learning as a California resident or enroll their dependents in school (K-12).
When I was in college, I knew more than a few non-resident students who were stopped by CHP for driving with out-of-state plates.

So, unless you intend to not work, live, vote, or enroll yourself or your kids in school in the state of California, you're going to have to register it...
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Unread 06-23-2013, 10:17 PM   #42
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Oh, one more thing... you need to pay those DMV registration fees within 20 days of bringing the vehicle into the state, or late fees will start accumulating.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 11:03 PM   #43
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Just curious but what kind of smog laws did CA have back in 78? Does it have to be retrofitted to current laws or to those in effect in 78? Reason I ask is that my 86 never had a cat, it wasn't required back in 86 in Ontario Canada. I realize that each country/province/state has different smog laws but mostly just my idle curiosity.

The 'cover' on your shifter looks, um, er well rather interesting......
Here in the USA. At least in California and Nevada. The vehicle has to pass emissions equipment and test levels for the model year is was produced. As in this case it is a 78 so it has to have all equipment that was installed in 78 and pass emissions level for that same year.

No if he were to swap with a newer model engine it has to pass emissions for the model year of the engine. The law reads with an engine swap the emissions level of the newest will be required either car or engine.
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This is the kinda whiny crap I would expect to see in the JK forum. We drive rough riding, leaking, gas guzzling CJ's. Rattle can it and throw it in your Jeep.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 11:17 PM   #44
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TITOMARS: I had a feeling you were going to say that. Considering all of the missing parts, I'm looking pretty seriously into the swap option. Actually, I just got off the phone with junk yard that was recommended by someone earlier. Question- will that motor bolt up to my T18? Also, why do you say 91-95? I am willing and able to do the swap, but I want to make sure I know that I have all of the right parts and information first.

I found something on Craigslist. Check this out: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/ptd/3883361911.html
yes a 4.0 will bolt to a T18. You have to use the 258 bellhousing, starter, spacer plate, clutch disc, flywheel, and pressure plate. but you will have to use a Hesco crank position sensor kit. it mounts on the front crank dampner instead of running off the flywheel/bellhousing.
91 to 95 is OBDI and the best package to use. Also the head design on these are considered superior to all other 4.0 heads.
87 to 90 used a hybrid MPI called a Renix it was a combination of Renault and bendix. this system was garbage.
96 on uses OBDII computer systems are not as simple and self contained as the OBDI.
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This is the kinda whiny crap I would expect to see in the JK forum. We drive rough riding, leaking, gas guzzling CJ's. Rattle can it and throw it in your Jeep.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 11:43 PM   #45
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You had better git an AZ dl too.
Ck your "6" on do'n this as it is called FRAUD, which is a felony in Ca.
LG
California Highway Patrol actually has a website setup to report suspected fraudsters...

http://www.chp.ca.gov/prog/cheaters.cgi
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