Dana 20 intermediate shaft kits - JeepForum.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 16 Old 12-21-2015, 09:27 AM Thread Starter
Stumpfarming
Registered User
1974 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Angeles
Posts: 648
Dana 20 intermediate shaft kits

I am about to order a new intermediate shaft kit for my Dana 20. I've noticed that the kit from Novak is more than double the cost of the Crown or Omix-Ada kit. Is the Novak kit that much better, or just overpriced? Does anyone have any feedback regarding the "lesser" kits?


http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/stumpfarmings-73-cj5-build-1935041/
Stumpfarming is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 Old 12-21-2015, 09:47 AM
chromegrille
Registered User
1947 CJ2A 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Riverside
Posts: 662
You get in quality what you pay for....as far as intermediate shafts go.
Novak much better, harder shaft.
Forget the offshore junk unless you want to do the job over again in 6 months (or less).
chromegrille is offline  
post #3 of 16 Old 12-21-2015, 01:37 PM
HackFabrication
Registered User
 
HackFabrication's Avatar
1976 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canton, Michigan
Posts: 3,189
On a side note....

The intermediate shaft only goes into the case one direction. Don't try to put it in the wrong way!

"In the end...It's all Hack."
HackFabrication is offline  
post #4 of 16 Old 12-21-2015, 05:15 PM
Partsmke
Registered User
1998 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,057
Novak advertises "triple alloy". Here is the definition for 8620 Steel. This chromium-molybdenum-nickel "triple alloy" is a widely used case hardening alloy grade. Used where high surface hardenability and tough core is desired along with easy machinability and excellent wear resistance. The chromium and molybdenum contribute to hardness penetration while the nickel increases the toughness. Typical applications include: gauges, jigs, gears, piston rods, plastic molds, cams, pinions, spline shafts.
Partsmke is offline  
post #5 of 16 Old 12-21-2015, 05:16 PM
82JeepCJ7
Registered User
1982 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Marysville, WA
Posts: 5,416
I built a "Tool" on a lathe to hold the needle bearings inside the intermediate gear while the shaft was being inserted.... Saved a ton of frustration....

Beat it to fit, paint it to match!

Wheel, Wrench, Repeat.
82JeepCJ7 is offline  
post #6 of 16 Old 12-21-2015, 06:06 PM Thread Starter
Stumpfarming
Registered User
1974 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Angeles
Posts: 648
Thanks everyone for comments. It sounds like an extra $50 now will save me more than $50 in headaches later. :-) Yes, I am aware of the tapered shaft and even caught myself wanting to drive it the wrong way during disassembly. An easy mistake to make as I discovered. If I had access to a lathe, a "tool" would be a great idea. I'll give it a go with assembly Lube or Vaseline to hold Them in place when putting together, but I am guessing that tapping the pin in will likely dislodge a few of the bearings.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/stumpfarmings-73-cj5-build-1935041/
Stumpfarming is offline  
post #7 of 16 Old 12-22-2015, 05:34 AM
jeepdaddy2000
Registered User
 
jeepdaddy2000's Avatar
1971 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Eagle Point
Posts: 7,005
Quote:
I'll give it a go with assembly Lube or Vaseline to hold Them in place when putting together, but I am guessing that tapping the pin in will likely dislodge a few of the bearings
Grease works just fine.
again, insure you replace the thrust washers as well.
jeepdaddy2000 is offline  
post #8 of 16 Old 12-22-2015, 09:23 AM Thread Starter
Stumpfarming
Registered User
1974 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Angeles
Posts: 648
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepdaddy2000
Grease works just fine. again, insure you replace the thrust washers as well.
Will do! The thrust washers almost look worn worse than the center shaft.
Attached Images
 

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/stumpfarmings-73-cj5-build-1935041/
Stumpfarming is offline  
post #9 of 16 Old 12-22-2015, 05:19 PM
82JeepCJ7
Registered User
1982 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Marysville, WA
Posts: 5,416
A short wood dowel works too.

Beat it to fit, paint it to match!

Wheel, Wrench, Repeat.
82JeepCJ7 is offline  
post #10 of 16 Old 12-23-2015, 07:41 AM
HackFabrication
Registered User
 
HackFabrication's Avatar
1976 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Canton, Michigan
Posts: 3,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by 82JeepCJ7 View Post
A short wood dowel works too.
That's the 'trick' I used when I rebuilt and added the TeraLow kit to mine:



"In the end...It's all Hack."
HackFabrication is offline  
post #11 of 16 Old 12-23-2015, 04:24 PM
BeatCJ
Registered User
1981 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: SW WA State
Posts: 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepdaddy2000 View Post
Grease works just fine.
Don't use grease. Use Vaseline, or assembly goo. Grease doesn't melt out at transfer case temperatures.

There are some things you will learn while holding a cat by the tail that can be learned no other way...
BeatCJ is offline  
post #12 of 16 Old 12-23-2015, 05:43 PM Thread Starter
Stumpfarming
Registered User
1974 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Angeles
Posts: 648
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeatCJ
Don't use grease. Use Vaseline, or assembly goo. Grease doesn't melt out at transfer case temperatures.
Yep. I've heard that from several sources and plan on following that advice. Thanks! :-)

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/stumpfarmings-73-cj5-build-1935041/
Stumpfarming is offline  
post #13 of 16 Old 12-23-2015, 05:56 PM
BeatCJ
Registered User
1981 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: SW WA State
Posts: 89
I have rebuilt a couple of Dana 300s using Novak Kits. It wasn't a bad job, they have excellent instructions. I don't know how much difference there is between the 20 and 300. I didn't need a holder/spacer for the intermediate gear needles, just Vaseline, it seemed like they almost snapped into place when I got the last one in.

There are some things you will learn while holding a cat by the tail that can be learned no other way...
BeatCJ is offline  
post #14 of 16 Old 12-23-2015, 08:23 PM
jeepdaddy2000
Registered User
 
jeepdaddy2000's Avatar
1971 CJ5 
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Eagle Point
Posts: 7,005
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeatCJ View Post
Don't use grease. Use Vaseline, or assembly goo. Grease doesn't melt out at transfer case temperatures.
However did those hundreds of transfercases and transmissions I've rebuilt over the years ever survive.
jeepdaddy2000 is offline  
post #15 of 16 Old 12-23-2015, 09:41 PM
82JeepCJ7
Registered User
1982 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Marysville, WA
Posts: 5,416
I should machine a bunch of them "tools" and make them available...

Beat it to fit, paint it to match!

Wheel, Wrench, Repeat.
82JeepCJ7 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the JeepForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid e-mail address for yourself.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome