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Unread 01-20-2010, 09:57 AM   #1
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D30 to D44

Friend of mine has a D44 from a 78 Grand Wagoneer, I can pick up for nothing. Seems I have read that my spindles(D30), hubs and brakes will go on there, but I can't find the info. It needs to be narrowed and does not have axle shafts. What would you do? I am not in a hurry, my D30 is fresh, but thinking about the future. Any info is very much appreciated.

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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:24 PM   #2
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I assume you are talking about the frount axle a model 44 front never came from the factory on a CJ as far as I know. I modified an FSJ axle (closed Knuckle) to 56" you can have the long side tube cut. I used an axle shaft from a Bronco that I found on line that is shorter. Scouts used a shorter one too, make sure you count the splines and get the right ones(27).

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Unread 01-20-2010, 02:33 PM   #3
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All the parts from outer knuckles out from the CJ Dana 30 should fit on the inner knuckles (Cs) of the waggy axle. Then you would be left with the problem of axle shafts. If I put a Narrow Track waggy axle (the 60.5" WMS to WMS ones) on my CJ I would not narrow it. Many people cut 4" off the long side. At any rate, with either of these options you could use NT waggy shafts and if you cut the tubes down you could have the end of the shaft cut and resplined to match.

But the stub shafts are another issue. The CJ dana 30 shafts use a smaller ujoint than the waggy D44 shafts do. I think this could be resolved by using a 27 spline stub shaft from a dana 44 scout axle. I have read that there are 3 different scout dana 44 stubs. You would need the 27 spline one that is the same length as a CJ dana 30 stub to make the CJ dana 30 outers work.
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Unread 01-20-2010, 04:18 PM   #4
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I have read that there are 3 different scout dana 44 stubs. .
Where did you read this? I've been building custom 44's and 60's for over 16 years and only found one Scout 2 stub axle.
Those are the 27 spline units you mentioned above that dimensionally are identical to a CJ 30 except they accept the 297x/760x Dana 44 sized joint and the yoke is slightly larger externally and in the bores to accommodate this.
If there is a different one I'd like to know more about it.
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Unread 01-20-2010, 04:21 PM   #5
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The only other Scout stub that I've ever heard of would have been a 10 spline version, but it wasn't in a Dana 44 and was pre-Scout II. Late 60's 80 series I believe.
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Unread 01-20-2010, 04:51 PM   #6
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So... if I understand this correctly. I can get 78 waggy axles, change the u-joints to "297x/760x" and outer stubbies from a Scout II that have the same spline count as my current hub/rotor, then I am in business? Thanks In Advance.
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Unread 01-20-2010, 06:31 PM   #7
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Where did you read this? I've been building custom 44's and 60's for over 16 years and only found one Scout 2 stub axle.
Those are the 27 spline units you mentioned above that dimensionally are identical to a CJ 30 except they accept the 297x/760x Dana 44 sized joint and the yoke is slightly larger externally and in the bores to accommodate this.
If there is a different one I'd like to know more about it.
I once mentioned that a scout stub axle looked like I said above on this board somewhere. Somebody popped up and beat me with a stick saying there were 3 different ones. I have only seen the 27 spline ones but whomever was belittling me at the time was adamant about there being 3. I don't remember what the context was now.
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So... if I understand this correctly. I can get 78 waggy axles, change the u-joints to "297x/760x" and outer stubbies from a Scout II that have the same spline count as my current hub/rotor, then I am in business? Thanks In Advance.
Yep, it's that easy.
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Unread 01-20-2010, 07:37 PM   #9
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Sooo, not to be too much of a pain in the a$$. I think the inner shafts would be fairly easy to get, but the scout II outer stubbies might be an issue. Does anyone know of a decent supplier for the outer stubbies?
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Unread 01-20-2010, 07:41 PM   #10
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u pull and pay in denver, aurora or colorado springs or colorado auto and parts in Denver. I think you could find Scout Stubs in any of those places.
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u pull and pay in denver, aurora or colorado springs or colorado auto and parts in Denver. I think you could find Scout Stubs in any of those places.
I will take a look. I figured Scout parts were as hard to come by as Jeep parts.
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Unread 01-20-2010, 07:56 PM   #12
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Sooo, not to be too much of a pain in the a$$. I think the inner shafts would be fairly easy to get, but the scout II outer stubbies might be an issue. Does anyone know of a decent supplier for the outer stubbies?
I have 3 pairs sitting in my garage... PM me.
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Unread 01-21-2010, 10:11 AM   #13
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I once mentioned that a scout stub axle looked like I said above on this board somewhere. Somebody popped up and beat me with a stick saying there were 3 different ones. I have only seen the 27 spline ones but whomever was belittling me at the time was adamant about there being 3. I don't remember what the context was now.
There actually are 3 stubs but not for the 44. There's the 10 spline used in the closed knuckle 27 in the front of 80's and 800's, never used in the Scout 2. There is the 27 spline unit used the in the Scout 2 Dana 30 which is the same as a drum brake Jeep 30 stub, only used a couple of years, and there is the 27 spline outer used with the 44 with the larger joint.
I wonder if this is what the other guy was referring too?
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Unread 01-21-2010, 04:03 PM   #14
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I have Scout 44s with 2 different splines on the stubs (27, very common, and an odd ball 19 (I think) spline). I do know that the 27 spline stub will spin inside the lockout from the oddball. I also believe that other IH D44s came with a 19 spline stub (Travelalls for example).
Who knows what mix and match previous owners of these axles have pulled? ... its antibody's guess.
If its important, look it up in the Dana/Spicer catalog.

(Edit) You all got me curious so I looked it up in the dana/spicer X510-8 document.
IH apparently used 2 Dana 44 stub axle splines in the 67-78 time frame; several lengths of 1 5/32" 27 spline stubs and several lengths of 1 1/4" 19 spline stubs.
I could probably dig out exactly which was used on OEM Scouts and Scout 2s but it would take time (Its generally accepted that the 27 spline version is the scout spline).

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Unread 01-22-2010, 08:09 AM   #15
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I have torn into a good amount of Scout 2's/Travelalls, and they have all been 27 spline.
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