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Unread 12-03-2010, 11:26 AM   #961
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hey coiz, question you might be able to answer for me, i know you don't have a soft top yet but i saw a post earlier about the windshield hinges and another about some holes in windshield that interested me for my soft top project.

I had to drill holes along the top edge of the rear tub for rails, i also had to drill 2 holes in the windshield edges for rails. My tub is rhyno lined and it goes up, over, and down the outside of the tub so i am only worried about the holes drilled on the back part there, but on the windshield the hole is exposed to the outside. I thought about putting a washer with nut on the outside of the windshield with some of the thin rubber left over for firewall dust cap for steering shaft i rebuilt. Did you end up using a rubber ring in the windshield holes or something else? do you think my idea will keep rain water out of the holes i drilled in the windshield?

EDIT: sorry i probably should have just sent you a message instead of hijacking your post...


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Unread 12-03-2010, 11:35 AM   #962
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Yeah, it is a shame that it is going to end up dirty. Its a Jeep, it better end up dirty!

Seriously though, top notch beautiful work that you have done here. I am impressed. It will be clean enough to show it when your done.
I have a feeling it will see a few local car shows but I do have every intention to wheel it.

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when i see a build thread past 50 pages, I usually click through the last 10 just to see pics. but DOOD I just read all 64 pages of this. I couldnt stop!

I was just saying that if someone could bring me a fully restored v8 CJ, id trade them my 04 TJ outright and in a heartbeat. You are the one I hope would be dumb enough to go through the deal
Thanks for reading through it, it has been a long fun ride. As far as trading my CJ for a TJ, you deserve a for even suggesting it.

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The CJ is looking great, can't wait to see it finished and see some vids of it in action
I was hoping to at least get it out and around the block a few times before winter but now I don't think it is going to happen. We got a dusting of snow last night and are supposed to get a few inches of snow tonight. Once the road salt comes out the Jeep stays in.

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Those grade 8s look darn good on the firewall!
I am lucky to have a Farm & Fleet with bulk fasteners just a mile or two away. I figured if/when these start to rust I can swap them out with SS fasteners one component at a time easy enough.
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Unread 12-03-2010, 11:49 AM   #963
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They still use salt on the roads there???? That sucks!!!!
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Unread 12-03-2010, 11:58 AM   #964
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They still use salt on the roads there???? That sucks!!!!
Salt and/or the liquid stuff. Whatever they seem to have the most of on any given day.
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Unread 12-03-2010, 11:59 AM   #965
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hey coiz, question you might be able to answer for me, i know you don't have a soft top yet but i saw a post earlier about the windshield hinges and another about some holes in windshield that interested me for my soft top project.

I had to drill holes along the top edge of the rear tub for rails, i also had to drill 2 holes in the windshield edges for rails. My tub is rhyno lined and it goes up, over, and down the outside of the tub so i am only worried about the holes drilled on the back part there, but on the windshield the hole is exposed to the outside. I thought about putting a washer with nut on the outside of the windshield with some of the thin rubber left over for firewall dust cap for steering shaft i rebuilt. Did you end up using a rubber ring in the windshield holes or something else? do you think my idea will keep rain water out of the holes i drilled in the windshield?
Most of the holes in my windshield were pre-drilled and obviously filled with various layers of paint. I know when I stick screws in the holes some of the paint it going to chip and crack and I will probably need to add a couple new holes for the main corner supports because I forgot to drill those out on my replacement frame. I was just going to touch up any bare metal with paint and then make sure it is covered in anti-seize and/or silicone on the threads when I install them for the final time.

I am trying to picture what you are trying to describe here: "I thought about putting a washer with nut on the outside of the windshield with some of the thin rubber left over for firewall dust cap for steering shaft i rebuilt.".

I think the "washer with a nut on the outside of the windshield" is what's throwing me off. I just can't picture what you would be referring to.

Ultimately, to seal off water from getting into a screw hole, I think using a rubber seal or o-ring, any waterproof gasket material or sealant would work fine. I would think a dab of silicone over the hole before assembling would be enough to seal the water out.
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Unread 12-03-2010, 12:41 PM   #966
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Well these are your posts i was referring to for my project


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I want to see it all together too. I get Monday off so I should have some time to get quite a few things done this weekend.

I'm still trying to figure out what to use to seal up the windshield hinges. I am not so concerned with water getting between the windshield/tub and the hinge itself, I want to seal around the holes in the tub so when water does get in there it will just flow out the bottom rather than into the holes and inside the cab.

My initial thoughts were to use that thin single sided foam weatherstripping that you would use between a camper shell and a truck bed. It is thin and compresses easily and should keep the water out. My only concern is that the foam might actually hold moisture. My other thought was to use a softer style o-ring that would compress and seal around the hole so any water should just run right around it. The last option would be to seal the whole thing tight with some sort of silicone but I know that most types can react with paint and cause premature corrosion.

This shows my weatherstrip and o-ring ideas.


Does anyone have an ingenious way to seal those off?
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This is what I ended up doing.




Apply some sealer to the hinge making sure to surround the bolt holes.


Stick it in place and bolt it down with some anti-seize on the bolt threads.


And here is a pic of my windshield with nut and bolt going thru for soft top, you can see there isn't a washer for them so i though about adding a washer so the rubber ring would stay on. sound like it would work?

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Unread 12-03-2010, 01:09 PM   #967
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Ah, so your thinking run the bolt through, apply a small o-ring(or rubber seal), a washer then tighten the nut? I would think that should work.

That is a nylock nut with not a lot of threads showing. I'm afraid the added thickness of the o-ring and a washer would shorten that thread contact even more. I think most body guys would put a dab of silicone over the hole and assemble the parts then wipe away excess sealer. It would seal the hole, remain pliable and not add thickness to the parts.
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Unread 12-03-2010, 01:41 PM   #968
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i knew you could answer my question!! thanks

I don't have the bolts tightened down yet, they are very loose in that pic so there is a lot of bolt still left, i might do both the rubber ring and some silicone since you mention most body guys use the silicone!
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Unread 12-03-2010, 01:50 PM   #969
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Windshield Completion

I secured the roll bar in with a few bolts and used it to apply the pressure to the cowl seal via two ratchet strap tie downs.


I applied a bead of silicone to the back side of the cowl seal.


I used the ratchet straps to pull the windshield into the correct angle and installed the new black matching body bolts into the windshield hold down. Don't forget the anti-seize.


I torqued down all the bolts then smoothed out the silicone with my finger. Notice I also finished off the pull knobs and steering column bezel.


I'm thinking I might have to paint the lower door hinge black in the spring, we'll have to see.


Next up is detailing the rear bumper install, fender flares, spring shackle hangers, D300 twin stick, fab a trans tunnel cover, winch stuff, hood refinishing, pinstripes, interior lighting, wheels, stereo head unit and the rest of the stereo components along with a ton of other small stuff I left out.
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Unread 12-03-2010, 02:15 PM   #970
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always plenty left to do even when you think your close i think painting the door hanger black to match would look good btw. are you thinking of a soft top later on?

PS: Anti-seize is a very good friend of mine too
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Unread 12-03-2010, 02:39 PM   #971
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Did you set the doors on to get the windshield set properly ?
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Unread 12-03-2010, 02:53 PM   #972
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....are you thinking of a soft top later on?
Actually, the one I have is in really good condition. I had happened to buy a new one about 6 months before I started storing it for all those years. The good thing is that it was always stored inside. I might have to replace a couple rusted screws on the door handles but the rest of the frame and all of the material looks great. Even the windows are pretty clear. I have a bikini top, set of half doors, older full doors that are still pretty good(used those for wheeling trips) and a like new set of full doors with the heavier weatherstripping. You can see one sitting against the passenger's side rear tire in the last photo in my last post. I used them to help make sure I had the windshield at the correct angle.

Here is the only good shot I have of the top. You can only imagine how long it had been since it was washed.


It cleaned up nice. It is laid out in the spare bedroom in the basement. Of course it now has three years of dust on it.
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Unread 12-03-2010, 03:19 PM   #973
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well i tell you what, i wouldn't use the top windshield groove rails that came with the soft top. They are two pieces. Maybe you already know what i mean before i go on but i am going to continue anyways for a tip

I have always had a bikini top on my jeep, its the best top ever for a jeep i must say, but it came with a 1 piece aluminum strip for the top of the windshield, and this to me was mucho better than a powder coated, metal, 2 piece system that does the same thing for the full soft top. The aluminum of course won't rust, its very sturdy(stronger than the 2 piece from bestop), and its 1 piece which is primo for installation and removal down the road... IMHO of course...

Edit: Oh, and now i would definitely paint that door hinge cuz it will match better when you use the soft top! thats why i asked earlier, the door hangers are black too and i think it would be noticed when you use the soft top?? idk..
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Unread 12-03-2010, 03:24 PM   #974
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you know in my installation manual for the soft top, it had me measure from the windshield(over the lip) to the back of the tailgate, 37.5 inches, this had to be met on both sides of the jeep before the soft top would fit right. not sure if this is the same for a cj7 but it would give you the right angle for the windshield that way...
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Unread 12-03-2010, 05:44 PM   #975
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Glad I found your jeep build here. You have turned that jeep into a piece
of art. Have you ever been to Silver Lake sand dunes? Great job on the paint job. Do you think those valve covers would fit with my 5.0 explorer in-take?
Please tell me your storing it through the winter months.

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