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Old 02-08-2010, 12:54 PM   #1
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clutch pedal issue

I noticed over the past few weeks that my clutch pedal on my 1974 cj-5 has moved/slid left a good amount along the shaft that connects it to the floorboard. It was becoming closer and closer to my brights switch on the floorboard when I would press the clutch in. Unfortunately I delayed fixing it and it apparently slid far enough to the left (along the shaft) that the roller bearings on the left side of the top of the clutch pedal became exposed and fell out everywhere. Many of them are non recoverable. I removed the pedal a few minutes ago and the rest of the roller bearings fell out as well.

My questions are:

a) are these bearing replacements available or is it easier to just buy a new pedal all together (are the pedals available with the bearings in there?) These bearings are a complete pain in my rear because they fall out extremely easily.
b) Does anything besides just pressure from the roller bearings, onto that steal shaft, keep the pedal from sliding left and right? To remove my pedal I was able to just lightly hammer it to the left to slide it entirely off. Assuming I can now find a replacement and tap it back on to the right, should I just rely on the pressure/tight fit to keep it in place? My pedal was slid so far to the left when the bearings fell out, that the bumper that keeps the pedal from rising up all of the way wasn't even hitting the pedal, which then caused my linkage below to have too much slack and disconnect at the pressure plate. I have been happier.....Thanks guys. Below is a link to my posting on another site (that i am yet to be satisfied by yet) but it makes posting pictures a joke. View them there. Thanks. clutch pedal blown bearing question - Jeep-CJ Forums

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Old 02-08-2010, 02:52 PM   #2
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search the forum there are some threads on this. i noticed the clutch pedal on my 81 CJ8 was harder than normal to engage. i discovered a pile of the roller bearings on the floor board--- uh oh!At least for my year, the replacement bushing is cheap and slid right onto the shaft/pedal assembly. the hardest part was removing the clutch pedal return spring. it is a massive unit, much larger than the one found on later CJs. I had to drill a 3/4" hole in the firewall and use a come along to take tension off the spring so i could remove the pedal. also had to drop the main fuse panel.

once it was all out, reassembly was a breeze-- the new bushing slides into place and it along with the pedal is held in place by a snap ring on end of shaft. i had to get a new snap ring because the old one literally wore away. i added a large flat washer between the snap ring and the bushing to better hold it in place.

then used the cone along to pull the spring far enough, like only about 1' and with a long screw driver hook it back onto the detent on the pedal.


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Old 02-08-2010, 03:11 PM   #3
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so there IS a snap ring that is supposed to hold it in place? It seemed odd that it could just slide off like that. I'm assuming the snap ring will just slide over the end of the shaft after i slide the pedal back on? Forming an end cap kinda? I am all about getting bushings. I could care less how smooth the bearings make it feel when they are this much of a pain in the ***.
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Old 02-08-2010, 04:57 PM   #4
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at least on my, at the far left end of the shaft it is grooved out to accept the snap ring. here is al ink for the replacement bushing. i got it locally thru the jeep dealer (really) the clutch linkage diagrams i can find on line do not show the snap ring but it is for sure there. took the worn ring to a fastener outfit here in town and they had the exact replacement. only hassle was finding a snap ring plyer with a 90 degree bend.



Clutch Linkage & Parts - O.E. Clutch Pedal Bearing <br>Fits: 76-81 CJ (6 or 8 cylinder)


altho this might not be of any help due to the age of your rig. google is your friend, so good luck.

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Old 02-08-2010, 07:10 PM   #5
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OK i found the groove for the snap ring. I just need to try to find a way to measure the size ring I need, because I do not have my old one. Also, something else I have noticed. Going by this link, http://www.cj-jeep.com/cj5-6/images/clutchlinkage.jpg , I can find #7 and #8 all day long on numerous sites, but the odd thing is that when I pulled mine off I noticed that my #8 isnt like any I have ever seen. The ball at the end is much larger. It almost appears as if a larger ball was formed/welded around the smaller one to prevent it from pushing through. Are these sold like this? Or has mine been modified. My pics are on another site, go here and scroll down to the pics of the adjuster rod. thoughts? clutch pedal blown bearing question - Jeep-CJ Forums
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:44 AM   #6
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Interesting,I been following your methods for changing the fluid I was beggining to think my clutch just couldnt take the power anymore. Thanks


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Old 02-09-2010, 12:54 PM   #7
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the ball at the end of the jam nut (ur #8) rests in the detent in the clutch fork, like this
Original Replacement Parts 3217480 - Clutch Fork for 72-75 Jeep® CJ - Quadratec


The jam nut is held in place in the fork with the small spring. IIRC the older jam nuts had a smaller round ball on the end and they keep popping out of the shift fork, which can be a PITA to keep putting back in place. if it snugs into the detent in the shift fork, ur good to go. while ur at it, why not replace the other wear items? bell crank and its bushings and related parts. i replaced a,, of my mechanical linkage parts with heim-joint style rod ends. they take a lot of flexing and abuse and do not wear out like the OEM stuff-- my clutch push rod was nearly worn thru when i pulled it out-- uh oh!

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Old 02-09-2010, 01:08 PM   #8
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my adjuster rod from a previous owner must have had the smaller ball on it. If you look at the fork where it it depressed, there is actually a hole straight through it. I assume that is why there is not an adjuster rod with a larger ball at the end. My question still remains though.....do they sell these adjuster rods with larger balls at the end? if so, where? I have searched and cannot find one. All I find are the smaller balls at the end, and that will most certainly not work.
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:37 PM   #9
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in the spirit of innovation meets necessity, maybe replace the c,utch fork w/ one that does not have a home-- it should only have a detent. or find a large ball bearing and weld it in place. or weld a bolt to the end and grind the bolt head round.

a lot of the CJ work is a matter of art and 'try this' to get it going. i rarely have experienced a part that didn;t need some degree of grinding or cutting or hammering to make it fit, other than, maybe the wheels.

keep looking or make one ur self. look thru the crown catalog as well.

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Old 02-09-2010, 01:38 PM   #10
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sounds good to me
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Old 02-09-2010, 01:40 PM   #11
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i am all about making one myself, but if there was one that was easily purchased that I didn't know about, i would have simply gone that route. I have a new one with a small ball that I ordered a while ago and then realized it was wrong. I'll work on fabricating that one into what I need.
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