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Unread 11-01-2010, 12:02 PM   #601
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Scott, I am not flaming you in any way

I doubt anyone on JF wants to see someone take backward steps in their builds, modificatons or repairs including me. If anything, I believe everyone want to save the other members money, time and stress.
Hey Brother... I'm sorry! I wasn't trying to come across that way. And I wasn't taking you as flaming me. My apologies to you and anyone else that read me that way. I'm writing like we we're face to face, with my dry personality, as though we're having a conversation. It just didn't make it across the wires with the inflection I was thinking! Believe me... I NEED you... and everybody else too!

So let me try another way... I'm making the "putty" since I THINK I have materials on hand to do so. Since I have never done this kind of work, I don't have the experience that says you can't do something. I'm not the kind of guy that just passes info on to someone else... I like to know the ins and outs of everything.

I need everybody's input and opinions. I value ALL OF THEM. I'm not frustrated, or angry, or fed up. This is FUN, and I am, surprisingly, enjoying the body work. At least, so far. For me, this is exciting learning something that I have always wanted to do, but am just now, in my late life, experiencing. My experiments with homemade stuff is on the hood... the smallest piece, and what I consider to be an easy piece to fix. I'm not ignoring anyone, just taking it to the end.

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Unread 11-01-2010, 12:05 PM   #602
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You might call Bondo and see if they have suggestions for thinning the filler but I suspect they will say no.
Great idea... I should have thought of that.
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Unread 11-01-2010, 12:16 PM   #603
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I tried the Bondo putty one more time early this morning. I made it with less LT and more hardener. It went on very smooth. When it dries, it leaves a film on top that looks like plastic... shiny. This film can be broken off with your fingernail. If you remove the film it seems to dry better. I used the cheese grater to remove the heavy buildup. I finished sanding it and everything looks real good. I will leave it open and let it dry for awhile.

The whole time I was doing this I kept thinking "I'm screwing up." Keeping Dave's comment in mind about having the finish blister or pop later on. But it's done. While blowing off all of the dust after sanding with 120 I had a large flake of primer lift off the hood. Underneath that piece is bare fiberglass... original fiberglass... not stuff that I added! What is happening? It's not just in the areas where I applied my putty. It's happening in other places. Did I not get it clean enough??

My cleaning process, before applying primer, consists of wiping everything down with LT. I use a clean cloth each time. The cloth loads up pretty quickly with crud from off the hood. I keep rotating the cloth to keep it in a clean spot. Is this wrong?
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Unread 11-01-2010, 12:49 PM   #604
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I painted a van once and no matter what I tried I had one area that I could never get to take paint. It was a spot that had silicone on it at some time. that's nasty stuff.

My point is you just never know. Sometimes you do everything perfect and it still goes wrong. I would say it sounds like a cleaning problem, or painting in high humidity, or painting too thick on a single pass mabey
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Unread 11-01-2010, 12:52 PM   #605
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Just my 2cents. Epoxy primer I think is way better than lacquer primer. If you got it I would use it. Try getting some Prep All from ORileys and use that instead of the LT to wipe the surface clean. It's made to prep parts before priming and painting.
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Unread 11-01-2010, 02:07 PM   #606
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Just my 2cents. Epoxy primer I think is way better than lacquer primer. If you got it I would use it. Try getting some Prep All from ORileys and use that instead of the LT to wipe the surface clean. It's made to prep parts before priming and painting.
Probably what I need to do... Thanks.




I called and talked to a Tech Rep at Bondo. He was definitely in the know... not some guy with a manual to look through, as in some companies. He said to GET THE PUTTY OFF! He said (as all of you have said) that Bondo is already LOADED with solvents, and adding more will compound the problem. He said I'll have trouble for some time if I leave it. He also said you can thin Bondo but with fiberglass resin, not Acetone or LT.

So I was going to post a progress pic, but there is no point! I'm wore slap out from sanding! I broke out the pressure washer and hit it. It knocked off some paint, but it also knocked off some Bondo! And I don't mean the putty!!

I'm going to let it sit for a week and crack! Then I'll sand it off next weekend. I like how the lacquer primer goes on, but it really doesn't seem to be sticking very well. The gelcoat is too smooth. I gotta look at something else.
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Unread 11-01-2010, 02:44 PM   #607
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I know it's not going to make things go any faster for you but you may very well have saved allot of guys some headaches when they start on doing fiberglass.

Keep up the great work, oh and by the way if you'd have called the tech line in the "People's Republic" they would have had you drinking sake and not knowing which end the hood went on.
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I know it's not going to make things go any faster for you but you may very well have saved allot of guys some headaches when they start on doing fiberglass.

Keep up the great work, oh and by the way if you'd have called the tech line in the "People's Republic" they would have had you drinking sake and not knowing which end the hood went on.
Thanks, Jim. That's my idea... to help someone who doesn't already know. Maybe it will be helpful to someone... at least interesting!

Regarding Bondo... I was surprised to have an American man talk to me... Southern one to boot! No Indians named Mike or Beulah!!



Clay is stripping the hood right now! Using 120 and the air file. God Bless Clay!
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Do you have a DA? I'd be more than willing to come and help with the body work. I strongly suggest you get the short strand fiberglass reinforced body filler. Think about it, on a fiberglass body wouldn't it make sense to use a filler made from fiberglass. It will be a much stronger repair as well. You got my number, and it only takes about an hour to get to your house and I'm usually bored anyways. Pay for my gas and I'll gladly come over and help out. I think it would be fun.

The top and doors I have are Original WHITCO. I got the top down and there was the tag, washed it off, it's in great shape actually. I thought the rear window zipper was messed up but it's not. The windows are nice and clear. I'll take some pictures of it soon. I'm going to polish the windows to make them look perfect and treat the vinyl so it looks brand new.
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Thanks, Jim. That's my idea... to help someone who doesn't already know. Maybe it will be helpful to someone... at least interesting!

Regarding Bondo... I was surprised to have an American man talk to me... Southern one to boot! No Indians named Mike or Beulah!!



Clay is stripping the hood right now! Using 120 and the air file. God Bless Clay!
We should always learn from each others mistakes. A wise man once told me that.

Tell me about the talking to a foriegner. I have had issues with pay pal and they have you call someone in India!!

You have some great kids there my friend. You and Beth have done something rght with them.
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Hey Scott, I am glad you called Bondo for their tech advice.

I bet a few yours online searching for Corvette builds, repairs etc. will put you on the right track. I honestly don't know what is right or wrong with fiberglass work but I have to learn myself. My Uncle will want to get started on his 68 pretty soon.

I will try to look for some good links later tonight; I need to take my daughters out for dinner.

My oldest passed her test today and the instructor said she did fantastic, even with a DA turned on to the feeder road and drove towards her head on while she was going 50!
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Hey Scott, I am glad you called Bondo for their tech advice.

I bet a few yours online searching for Corvette builds, repairs etc. will put you on the right track. I honestly don't know what is right or wrong with fiberglass work but I have to learn myself. My Uncle will want to get started on his 68 pretty soon.

I will try to look for some good links later tonight; I need to take my daughters out for dinner.

My oldest passed her test today and the instructor said she did fantastic, even with a DA turned on to the feeder road and drove towards her head on while she was going 50!
Tech help is a good resource, but not one that I generally think about. I need to remember it!

Congrats on your daughter passing her test. You didn't doubt did you? Glad she is sfae... and you too!!
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Unread 11-01-2010, 07:44 PM   #613
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Quickie lesson...

In regards to primer, what does 1K and 2K mean?

In regards to paint, what does bc/cc mean?

Just spent a bunch of time researching fiberglass paint prep online. It seems that lacquer primer is not the best route to take... everybody calling it old school. Many of you have said to use epoxy primer, and that's what is recommended today. Why did OReillys select that material... because it is high build?

Will epoxy primer "set up" in my gun if I am too slow? How do you clean the gun?

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BC/CC Means Basecoat Clearcoat. (spelling?)

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He also said you can thin Bondo but with fiberglass resin, not Acetone or LT.
I've never heard of this before, good to know. By the way Skerr, I don't comment much but watch this thread on a daily basis. Definietly one of my favorite builds on JF right now. Atleast someone is still putting out. *Cough* Coiz *Cough*
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