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Unread 08-07-2013, 08:51 AM   #5191
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Guys,

The stand-off is solid with a concave depression for the ball to sit in.

Has anyone considered modifying the fork, somehow?

What a PITA!

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I have, I was just talking to Jim1611 about that 5 minutes ago. We both think it may be the best route.

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Unread 08-07-2013, 09:01 AM   #5192
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I posted about the fork earlier, the problem as I see it, is I don't see it.

No pictures of the fork in relation to the bellhousing are posted to assist in understanding the problem.

KISS, what is the path of least resistance?




Go back and look at this post and tell me why the clutch fork is notched?

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cl...l#post15749882




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The top clutch fork is for a T150. In the article, the author states that it is factory punched to clearance a bolt head. He goes on to say that if you don't clearance the fork on the T18 it may not allow the pressure plate to release. That isn't our problem. Our fork is hitting the housing. I didn't get to talk to Warren this afternoon, so I don't know how far he got. Now we have to wait until Monday. Never thought about clearancing the fork... that may have been all we needed to do. Also, if Warren hasn't already fixed it, I will look into the TO bearing for the 4.0 clutch set. Thanks, Dave.

I don't understand this, "clearance a head bolt".







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Unread 08-07-2013, 09:37 AM   #5193
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243,

As I understand it, the 4.0 flywheel is thinner than the 258, and the CJ clutch fork doesn't have enough travel to disengage the disk from the flywheel.

Someone please correct me, if I'm wrong.

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Unread 08-07-2013, 10:32 AM   #5194
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243,

As I understand it, the 4.0 flywheel is thinner than the 258, and the CJ clutch fork doesn't have enough travel to disengage the disk from the flywheel.

Someone please correct me, if I'm wrong.

Matt
This is correct Matt.

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Unread 08-07-2013, 10:56 AM   #5195
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I've mocked up a Jeep T18, bell housing, lever and throw out bearing.

image-2055880760.jpg

From Scotts info the clutch arm is hitting the bell housing. This picture shows the clutch arm touching the bell.

image-2606178341.jpg

And the location of the throw out bearing with the arm still touching the bell.

image-2670523370.jpg

As you can see the bearing is at the end of the tranny bearing retainer. I can only guess Clays Jeep looks the same.

What I'm seeing is even with the stand off for the ball moved, or the clutch arm modified by 1/2", the TOB will come off the end of the retainer. Not good!

I don't see a way around this, yet.

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Unread 08-07-2013, 11:24 AM   #5196
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The ball pocket can be cut out and relocated to correct the fork alignment, and the other end could be lengthened to keep the same OAL.

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Unread 08-07-2013, 11:30 AM   #5197
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Forgive me, if I missed this....why can't Scott use the 258 flywheel and starter, then move the CPS to the balancer?

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Unread 08-07-2013, 11:33 AM   #5198
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The ball pocket can be cut out and relocated to correct the fork alignment, and the other end could be lengthened to keep the same OAL.
I agree Dave, but that doesn't solve the issue of the TOB possibly coming off the end of the bearing retainer.

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1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
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Unread 08-07-2013, 11:37 AM   #5199
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Forgive me, if I missed this....why can't Scott use the 258 flywheel and starter, then move the CPS to the balancer?

Matt
I'm guessing because the hesco damper kit is $$$.
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Unread 08-07-2013, 11:48 AM   #5200
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Forgive me, if I missed this....why can't Scott use the 258 flywheel and starter, then move the CPS to the balancer?

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That is one of the options, look for a text message.
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Unread 08-07-2013, 11:50 AM   #5201
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I'm guessing because the hesco damper kit is $$$.
True. But in these cases, I figure time and lack of frustration are also worth something.

It still blows me away that no one has ever run into this problem before.

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I agree Dave, but that doesn't solve the issue of the TOB possibly coming off the end of the bearing retainer.

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Moving the pivot pocket would move the forks under the bearing. This may require lengthening the opposite end to keep the same OAL.


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Unread 08-07-2013, 11:52 AM   #5203
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Can there be a spacer between the throw out bearing and pressure plate? Moving the bearning back towards the clutch arm the 1/2" distance that seems to be the problem. Bill wouldn't that solve the problem of the bearing going off the retainer?
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Unread 08-07-2013, 12:27 PM   #5205
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Can there be a spacer between the throw out bearing and pressure plate? Moving the bearning back towards the clutch arm the 1/2" distance that seems to be the problem. Bill wouldn't that solve the problem of the bearing going off the retainer?
Damn, Jim, I was thinking the same...like a 1/2" thick washer between the thrust bearing and pressure plate. Right?

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