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Unread 07-17-2013, 08:26 PM   #5131
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But I am proud of ya, way to stick to it with the 4.0
I couldn't agree more with this.

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1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
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Unread 07-17-2013, 08:59 PM   #5132
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Another pump shotgun well worth owning and less money is the Mossberg 500. I bought one 30 years ago and it's still just as reliable as the 870.

So Clay should be driving his Jeep pretty soon huh, that's great.
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Unread 07-17-2013, 09:10 PM   #5133
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I'm liking this one. 9, 2.750" shells.

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1973 J 4000,
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1979 CJ7 360, TH400/Quadratrac trail Jeep.
1979 J20
1980 CJ5 trail Jeep.
1983 CJ7 pretty weekend and sometimes to work Driver in the summer, My first rebuild, if the Q-trac and 5 are broke, this one is the one to take. its just as capable as the other 2, except nice paint.
1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
2005 TJ Rubicon.
2011 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4, Mrs. LUCDOG's DD.
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Unread 07-18-2013, 04:42 PM   #5134
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wellllllllllllllll............ Beth came home! She says "What? It's just a shotgun?" "You don't need another shotgun!"

On another note... I already have 500s and 870s. Your preaching to the choir!
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Unread 07-18-2013, 06:52 PM   #5135
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Installed the XJ steering box on the CJ. The gear box bolts up to the CJ bracket using all 3 holes instead of the 4 that a CJ has. The XJ box has a factory drop pitman arm. It places the draglink slightly BELOW level... just opposite the slightly above with a 2.5" lift. The CJ steering shaft bell coupler has a larger spline shaft than the XJ making it so the CJ shaft will not firmly slide onto the XJ gear box. Not even lossely for that matter! Was thinking about using a piece of 1/2" EMT as a bushing to weld around the XJ shaft, then slide the CJ bell coupler over that. THEN we discovered the XJ telescoping steering shaft is the same shape as the CJ telescoping shaft. I separated the XJ shaft and slid it into the upper CJ shaft, but it is too short to reach the gearbox. SO... we will cut off ~3" of CJ shaft and weld it to the XJ shaft. That should do it.

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Unread 07-18-2013, 08:26 PM   #5136
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No Mosquitoes in Missouri at the lake, just family, boats and fun!!!
Good call nixing the EMT.

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1979 CJ7 360, TH400/Quadratrac trail Jeep.
1979 J20
1980 CJ5 trail Jeep.
1983 CJ7 pretty weekend and sometimes to work Driver in the summer, My first rebuild, if the Q-trac and 5 are broke, this one is the one to take. its just as capable as the other 2, except nice paint.
1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
2005 TJ Rubicon.
2011 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4, Mrs. LUCDOG's DD.
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Unread 07-19-2013, 07:22 AM   #5137
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No Mosquitoes in Missouri at the lake, just family, boats and fun!!!
Good call nixing the EMT.

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Mehhh... it's one of those rambling thoughts you get when you say to yourself... "I wonder if..."

The mosquiteos around here, right now, are indescribable! Even with the floor fan blowing you don't want to be on the creeper under the Jeep!

Just a side thought... a box (50) Blazer .9mm is $45!!!! Up from $9.95!

Airsoft battle tomorrow, Fallon turns 14 today, big party. Gotta mow grass, trim hedges, burn the burn pile, FIX THE JEEP, cut okra... I feel so old.
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Unread 07-19-2013, 03:37 PM   #5138
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Well, Boys... this has been one 'O dem days where you get a LOT of stuff done! My kids were rocking. We are ready for the BD party tomorrow, and I didn't have to do anything!

Here are some pics of the XJ/CJ steering shaft mod. In a nutshell... we have the 4.0 in the 5. The power steering does not easily bolt up like I expected... involving bracket and pulley mods. So with the serp belt we used a factory XJ pwr steer pump. This changes the fitting to the CJ gear box from flared to O-ring. So the gear box is changed to XJ. The XJ box has only 3 mounting holes, whereas the CJ has 4. I hope it holds up. The XJ box will use the CJ bracket with no mods. The XJ gear box has a smaller diameter input shaft than a CJ, so the CJ bell coupler will not just slide on and clamp down. Also, the XJ steering shaft is shorter than a CJ. The lower (I don't really know WHAT to call it, but it is the lower part of the telescopic steering shaft) steering shaft of an XJ and a CJ are the same. I cut about 4" off a CJ lower steering shaft and welded it to the lower XJ shaft, making it long enough and compatible to the XJ gear box. Now I am bending/shaping the metal lines to reach the gear box. Looks like this might actually work!

The first pic is the stub cut from the CJ shaft, and then I'm showing how I welded it and ground it down. I wirewheeled it, prepped it, and painted it. It is installed and in working order. This was not a hard mod. I don't think it is worth doing unless you are in the same position as we are. For a CJ steering improvement I would just buy a rebuilt gear box.

Oh yeah... the last pic is showing the rebent hard lines for the pump.
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Unread 07-19-2013, 04:13 PM   #5139
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Scott, is there any rubber line between the pump and steering box? There should be.

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1979 CJ7 360, TH400/Quadratrac trail Jeep.
1979 J20
1980 CJ5 trail Jeep.
1983 CJ7 pretty weekend and sometimes to work Driver in the summer, My first rebuild, if the Q-trac and 5 are broke, this one is the one to take. its just as capable as the other 2, except nice paint.
1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
2005 TJ Rubicon.
2011 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4, Mrs. LUCDOG's DD.
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Unread 07-19-2013, 04:57 PM   #5140
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Scott, is there any rubber line between the pump and steering box? There should be.

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great catch Bill...after looking at his picture it does look like there is one rubber line but not 2?
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Unread 07-19-2013, 06:58 PM   #5141
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Yep. The pressure and return lines are combo rubber/steel lines just like a CJ. I had to bend the preshaped metal parts to get the lines to point between the pump and gear box. You can actually see the return line under the pressure line in the last pic. The return line attaches to the back of the pump.
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Unread 07-19-2013, 07:09 PM   #5142
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10-4 good buddy!

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1979 CJ7 360, TH400/Quadratrac trail Jeep.
1979 J20
1980 CJ5 trail Jeep.
1983 CJ7 pretty weekend and sometimes to work Driver in the summer, My first rebuild, if the Q-trac and 5 are broke, this one is the one to take. its just as capable as the other 2, except nice paint.
1984 Grand Wagoneer, 1 ton axles, great 360/727, and a big a$& tree fell on it .
1989 YJ the CJ to YJ conversion.
2005 TJ Rubicon.
2011 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4x4, Mrs. LUCDOG's DD.
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Unread 07-19-2013, 11:37 PM   #5143
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Nice welds Scott

Is that welder the one I saw at Home Depot? How do you like it??
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Unread 07-20-2013, 10:02 AM   #5144
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Scott I don't think I'd trust that steering shaft the way you all welded it. Those are short welds and that means not much heat got into the weld. Better to have been tigged. If it were me I'd have ground the ends almost to a point then welded it with the mig. Just my opinion but it is what guides the thing and at times there can be allot of twisting pressure on that shaft. Get a tire up against a rock, in a rut or against a curb and try to turn the wheel it could break. Worse yet it cracks then breaks at speed on the highway later.
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Unread 07-20-2013, 12:27 PM   #5145
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Scott I don't think I'd trust that steering shaft the way you all welded it. Those are short welds and that means not much heat got into the weld. Better to have been tigged. If it were me I'd have ground the ends almost to a point then welded it with the mig. Just my opinion but it is what guides the thing and at times there can be allot of twisting pressure on that shaft. Get a tire up against a rock, in a rut or against a curb and try to turn the wheel it could break. Worse yet it cracks then breaks at speed on the highway later.
I agree, I was thinking you could weld a sleeve over the joint or a couple fish plates or something. If you cut a tube in half long ways and welded the two halves over the shaft joint you'd reform the sleeve and weld it to the shaft.
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