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Unread 04-25-2012, 10:41 PM   #3061
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I'm sure you guys will get it figured out. Out of curiosity, whats wrong with the weld, not enough penetration?

Since that landscape job is in a "richie" neighborhood I hope you guys are getting paid handsomely

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Unread 04-25-2012, 10:49 PM   #3062
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I'm sure you guys will get it figured out. Out of curiosity, whats wrong with the weld, not enough penetration?

Since that landscape job is in a "richie" neighborhood I hope you guys are getting paid handsomely
Clay is getting porosity, which is like a million little airbubbles that appear in the finish weld. This effects the weld strength. It would be fine welding your kickstand back on your dirtbike, but not for a cage.

We are charging $10 per person per hour. You can surely get more, but I enjoy the word of mouth, and I like the service industry. I like making people happy with good service. It guarantees that they will call you back.
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Unread 04-25-2012, 10:54 PM   #3063
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Clay is getting porosity, which is like a million little airbubbles that appear in the finish weld. This effects the weld strength. It would be fine welding your kickstand back on your dirtbike, but not for a cage.
O, gotcha. On the bright side, the cage isn't holding you back from working on the rest of it.
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Unread 04-25-2012, 11:08 PM   #3064
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Clay is getting porosity, which is like a million little airbubbles that appear in the finish weld. This effects the weld strength. It would be fine welding your kickstand back on your dirtbike, but not for a cage.

We are charging $10 per person per hour. You can surely get more, but I enjoy the word of mouth, and I like the service industry. I like making people happy with good service. It guarantees that they will call you back.
By any chance, did the tubing have any oily residue on, or INSIDE it, perhaps to help prevent rusting? If there's oil anywhere near a weld joint, as soon as the metal starts getting hot from welding, the oil will travel towards the weld joint. With mig, that almost always results in porosity.

What do you mean by "the finish weld". Do you mean the weld that he's putting over the ground out weld? That reminds me....typically, if you have porosity in a mig or tig weld, and you grind it out to re-weld the joint, but you don't get ALL of the original porosity out, it can re-appear in the new weld.

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Unread 04-28-2012, 06:48 PM   #3065
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Okay. Are ya'll sitting down? You're not holding anything sharp? No open flames? Not cleaning a firearm? Okay... good.

The welding issue is solved.

Clay took his machine to school this morning.

The Instructor tried it out and couldn't get it to work.

He discovered there was no gas coming out of the gun.

He traced it back to the machine.

Clay didn't plug the lead in far enough!

The gas was escaping before it got to the piece.

It welds perfectly!!

Time to move on...

YAY.

( I AM really excited about this, actually. Clay has been moping around, thinking he blew $800. The Instructor thinks his machine ROCKS!! It is good for Clay to have it figured out)
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Unread 04-28-2012, 06:55 PM   #3066
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Unread 04-28-2012, 06:56 PM   #3067
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Okay. Are ya'll sitting down? You're not holding anything sharp? No open flames? Not cleaning a firearm? Okay... good.

The welding issue is solved.

Clay took his machine to school this evening.

The Instructor tried it out and couldn't get it to work.

He discovered there was no gas coming out of the gun.

He traced it back to the machine.

Clay didn't plug the lead in far enough!

The gas was escaping before it got to the piece.

It welds perfectly!!

Time to move on...

YAY.

( I AM really excited about this, actually. Clay has been moping around, thinking he blew $800. The Instructor thinks his machine ROCKS!! It is good for Clay to have it figured out)
That's Great!
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Unread 04-28-2012, 07:08 PM   #3068
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now go get 'em!
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Unread 04-28-2012, 07:17 PM   #3069
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Great thread, Scott! Might have to take the night off and read through the whole thing! Glad your son got the issue resolved with his welder.
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Unread 04-28-2012, 07:17 PM   #3070
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That's a relief....it's nice when it's a simple fix. You guys will LOVE that machine, now.

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Unread 04-29-2012, 06:30 AM   #3071
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Skipper hate to say I told you so but I did!
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Skipper there sounds like there maybe two problems with Clays welder first there should be some taps in the machine to change wire polarity. Solid wire runs electrode straight polairity and flux core is DCRP. Either will give you fits if its set on the wrong taps. Next look at the gas line cause there is some problem there kinked or cracked or parialy plugged.

For this work I prefer solid wire and on a scale of 1-10 pipe welding small pipe is about a 30 so dont let it get you down.

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Unread 04-29-2012, 06:35 PM   #3072
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That's a relief....it's nice when it's a simple fix. You guys will LOVE that machine, now.

Rich
Thanks Guys. He definitely loves the machine. His start/stop points are a little rough, but his welds look awesome.

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Great thread, Scott! Might have to take the night off and read through the whole thing! Glad your son got the issue resolved with his welder.
Thanks for stopping in pman! There's a lot of blah-blah in this thread, but I've had a good time putting it there! A natural TON of support too!

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Skipper there sounds like there maybe two problems with Clays welder first there should be some taps in the machine to change wire polarity. Solid wire runs electrode straight polairity and flux core is DCRP. Either will give you fits if its set on the wrong taps. Next look at the gas line cause there is some problem there kinked or cracked or parialy plugged.

For this work I prefer solid wire and on a scale of 1-10 pipe welding small pipe is about a 30 so dont let it get you down.

Well, if you'd get your butt DOWN here you could have shown us TOO!!!



Clay is halfway done with the cage. His welds look awesome. Now the pressure is back on me to get the tub painted. I made up a list of things left to do, and truthfully, I'm overwhelmed!! I had no idea there was still so much to do. I told ya'll the small parts was gonna kill us, and some of it ain't so small! I'm off the next two days, and Wifey is lining me up with non-Jeep work. And all I want to do is sleep.
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Unread 04-29-2012, 07:22 PM   #3073
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I am a coming on down June 7 th or so
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Unread 04-29-2012, 08:45 PM   #3074
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Scott,

This was just posted in a new thread titled "Barn find"...it has your OEM 60/40 bench seat in remarkable shape:





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Unread 05-01-2012, 06:09 PM   #3075
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Well?
2 days off now, What's the progress? Let's hear it. or did your better 1/2 have more important things for you to get in to? which is OK too.
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