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Unread 07-18-2010, 08:30 PM   #136
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The frame does look good. Shouldn't have to worry about that again.

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Unread 07-18-2010, 08:51 PM   #137
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Looking great! Can you summarize all the steps you did on the frame from start to finish, with a one sentence explanation for each step (if needed)? Also include the inside of the frame.
Start to finish for the frame... hmmm. When I think about it now it was/should of been easy! The one thing that seems to be common amongst everybody is the wirewheel. Some method of stripping the rust. After that, there are several ways to do it, depending on what material you use.

With a "clean" frame (rust free) you can apply the POR15 kit, including the Marine Clean, Metal Ready, then POR. Too many guys have used it with success to ignore it. -OR-

With a clean frame (rust free), apply Ospho (which I think is inherrently the same thing as Metal Ready) and let cure. Wipe down with a prepaint solvent (degreaser/dewaxer), scuff with Scotch-Brite, blow it off with air, apply Lacquer Primer. Let dry. Wipe down with solvent again, scuff again, and paint with finish coat.

The main thing AJ pointed out to me was keeping the wet edge, which I have read from others as well. So I held the gun closer and moved slower. The lacquer primer is very thin, but it didn't run because it dries very quickly. He also emphasized about scuffing between coats. When I failed the first time with the bedliner I can tell you now where I screwed up. I didn't scuff between coats, and the bedliner went on dry.

Sorry... wasn't exactly one-liners!

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Sure did, and I wasn't planning to bring it up but since you asked, it was hotter in Texas today

The frame looks great and I have heard very good comments about the Valspar implement paint.
EVERYTHING's bigger in Texas!! I have painted two stock trailers with Valspar. It covers really well and makes a good coating. It is $12 a QT, but $30 a gallon, so I bought a gallon. I cut it 20% with Naphtha (per the label)... really went on smooth. Took about 24 ounces to paint the frame.
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Unread 07-18-2010, 08:58 PM   #138
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The frame does look good. Shouldn't have to worry about that again.
Oh Thank God! I can't believe how long it has been waiting for repair, and I can't believe how much trouble I personally had with it. Supposed to start bolting suff together tomorrow, but I forgot about the inside of the frame. I will probably do as Dave has done, tape off holes and dump some Rustoleum inside. To top it off, my son turns 11 tomorrow and Mom has reminded me that I have BD to attend! So probably no Jeep tomorrow.

Thanks for the nice words Mike.
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Unread 07-18-2010, 09:16 PM   #139
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Scott, I would not do that now, the primer will find a way out of the frame rails and spoil a nice looking black paint job. There are a ton of holes to tape, there are cracks where the factory welds were not complete, and even if you completely sealed it, you would see the primer coating the edges of all the holes.
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Unread 07-19-2010, 03:53 AM   #140
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Skerr, frame is looking great..... Now the fun starts putting it all back together....
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Unread 07-19-2010, 04:52 AM   #141
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Scott, I would not do that now, the primer will find a way out of the frame rails and spoil a nice looking black paint job. There are a ton of holes to tape, there are cracks where the factory welds were not complete, and even if you completely sealed it, you would see the primer coating the edges of all the holes.
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Skerr, frame is looking great..... Now the fun starts putting it all back together....
Thanks Calvin. I am defnitely looking forward to that and the sensation of moving forward, ALSO some new floor space in the shop!
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Unread 07-20-2010, 08:11 AM   #142
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Very good job on painting the frame Scott!! I'm not sure I'd try priming the inside either. It ought to last a long time with what you have. Besides I've noticed that striving for perfection can tend to drive you nuts.
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Unread 07-20-2010, 08:55 AM   #143
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Great job, keep up the nice photo diary for us.
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Unread 07-20-2010, 11:58 AM   #144
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Today is not going as planned. I am aggravated! Clay won't focus. Mom is cranky. And I'm not on schedule. It is so hot and humid. My water separator won't keep up with the compressor. I can't shoot paint when the air is not dry. It's fixin' to rain and I have to paint what has been sandblasted. My break is over. Why didn't I use the dadgonfriggindurnblasted POR-15 like I planned!? Pray for me!

Scott,

I added a 50' 3/4" copper pipe cooling loop in the garage and I am sandblasting and spraying paint and primer without a water separater. I do have a filter but I have had "0" issues with water and will definitely add a separator before spraying the color coats.

I used these infomation on the linked websites below and the diagram as a guide:







http://www.sharpe1.com/sharpe/sharpe.nsf/Page/Air+Piping+Layout

http://www.tptools.com/StaticText/airline-piping-diagram.pdf
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Unread 07-22-2010, 02:54 PM   #145
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FAIL!!!!

Details after I feel better! Too much woe...
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Unread 07-22-2010, 03:07 PM   #146
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THis does not sound good without explanation....
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Unread 07-22-2010, 04:09 PM   #147
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Oh no! I was enjoying the progress to date. Hopefully it is just a minor setback.
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Unread 07-22-2010, 08:31 PM   #148
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FAIL!!!!

Details after I feel better! Too much woe...
What doesn't kill us only makes us stronger, right? If rebuilding a CJ was so easy then the reward would be much less
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Unread 07-22-2010, 08:37 PM   #149
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Scott,

I added a 50' 3/4" copper pipe cooling loop in the garage and I am sandblasting and spraying paint and primer without a water separater. I do have a filter but I have had "0" issues with water and will definitely add a separator before spraying the color coats.

I used these infomation on the linked websites below and the diagram as a guide:







http://www.sharpe1.com/sharpe/sharpe.nsf/Page/Air+Piping+Layout

http://www.tptools.com/StaticText/airline-piping-diagram.pdf
That looks like a good layout. AJ gave me some input when I was plumbing mine. It's not the same, but it's pretty close. My water separator may not be large enough. I can actually see the water running into it. I have my tank cracked so water can drip out steadily. It cuits down some on the amount that accumulates in the lines. I also have a drain/catch leg at the end of the line, and when you crack the valve to drain it, it blows water across the shop! Temp today was 96* with 93% humidity! A miserable day.
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Unread 07-22-2010, 09:05 PM   #150
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Hey Calvin... it wasn't good and my mental state plummeted! It still isn't great, but it has stabilized!

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Oh no! I was enjoying the progress to date. Hopefully it is just a minor setback.
I'm sure there are plenty that have greater problems than I am facing. I am just so ready to MOVE ON! And my problems have changed!

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What doesn't kill us only makes us stronger, right? If rebuilding a CJ was so easy then the reward would be much less
Ken, Thanks for the inspiration. I needed that. It helps...


My paint has not cured. It is still "soft". Soft enough to scrape it off with my fingernail. AJ made it clear that I had to scuff the primer coat before I painted the finish coat. I did that, but I was concerned that maybe I didn't do it well enough. AJ came over today to check it out. He said the humidity is causing the problem and not to worry about it. He scraped off a spot and said it had adhered to the primer just fine. So I sanded down the test spot and painted that area again. But he did give me a lecture about using tractor paint on an automobile! He is definitely old school! Which I happen to like, but I get impatient, and that is not the way to be with this kind of detail. AJ said I could go ahead and start reassembling carefully. So Clay and I got out there tonight and started putting the rear springs and axle back on. I fought with the shackles (aftermarket) and bushings, got "never seize" all over me (which I just hate), and finally got the spring plates bolted up. Once we finished it was obvious that the axle is not straight in the frame. The left side is kicked forward a bit, causing the left rear wheel to be at an angle to the frame. Hownthhell can that happen!? I studied it and studied it, but I'm not smart enough to figure it out. I measured from different reference points and the measurements are the same... so what gives? I am disgusted! BTW, the the spring perches, plates, and springs are aligned properly, and the bolt is in the hole. Gonna have to get AJ back. Side note- Clay and I had this all assembled once (with no issues) and he took it all apart to paint the axle. Kudos for the initiative of my son. He placed all the nuts, bolts, and washers in a magnetic parts tray, and then he placed the tray under the axle on the floor. When I went to get them to bolt things together, I noticed the tray was full of oil... 90 weight! So I asked Clay why he filled the tray with oil, and he told me that he didn't! He had left the axle with the diff hanging down, and the oil drained around the pinion seal!! Just by luck it went into the pan and not all over the floor. I'm so glad my pinion seal leaks like a sieve... I was afraid I was running out of things to do!

Today was my 21st anniversary. I spent the day at work and the evening on the Jeep. Gonna have to get my priorities straight!
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