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post #46 of 5422 Old 07-09-2010, 02:44 PM Thread Starter
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The cool thing about following your build with your son is that it reminds me that I learned a lot from my father working on stuff in the barn for all those years. Now that I am working on my own Jeep things that he taught me are coming back to me all the time. We talk on the phone and I still run ideas by him to make sure I am not about to do something stupid!
You DID read the part where I shot the straw into the cylinder, didn't you? Wish I didn't do stupid stuff... life would be so much easier!


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post #47 of 5422 Old 07-09-2010, 02:50 PM
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I sure did. One time my father and I unloaded a 1938 John Deere Model A off the trailer into the barn. It was late at night. We decided to see if we could start it by turning the starter wheel. The thing backfired and sent the coffee can that was taped over the muffler through the roof. We spent the next day patching the roof.
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I sure did. One time my father and I unloaded a 1938 John Deere Model A off the trailer into the barn. It was late at night. We decided to see if we could start it by turning the starter wheel. The thing backfired and sent the coffee can that was taped over the muffler through the roof. We spent the next day patching the roof.
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You DID read the part where I shot the straw into the cylinder, didn't you? Wish I didn't do stupid stuff... life would be so much easier!
At least you didn't shoot your middle finger off like my neighbor did the other day. That straw may end up being a good omen if you end up having to pull the head to get it out of there. With the rust you have found you very well could have some in the cylinder walls too. Taking the head off wil be a sure way to know.

How often do we tell ourselves this will be a simple rebuild. Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever get finished, but isn't that just the way it is. All of that being said I'm looking forward to more progress on Clay's Jeep. He's doing great!! and Dad is too.
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This looks like the start to an awesome build, definitely going to follow it. You and Clay are doing a great job so far.
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at least you didn't shoot your middle finger off like my neighbor did the other day. That straw may end up being a good omen if you end up having to pull the head to get it out of there. With the rust you have found you very well could have some in the cylinder walls too. Taking the head off wil be a sure way to know.

How often do we tell ourselves this will be a simple rebuild. :d sometimes i wonder if i'll ever get finished, but isn't that just the way it is. All of that being said i'm looking forward to more progress on clay's jeep. He's doing great!! And dad is too.
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Don't feel bad about the straw. Just another gig to take care of. I once dropped a nut into a F-15 engine while changing a temp sensor. Took us about 2 days in the heat of Saudi Arabia to find and fish the darn thing out.

I'd be concerned about the rust and scale you found in the intake and and on the plugs . Hopefully nothing, but with the engine out, it's a good time to check it out. To prevent pulling the head, may want to try and find a borescope; fibre optics snake attached to a LCD. Home depot started selling them a while ago but they are a little spendy ($150). I checked in my town and the rental places have them fairly cheap. You'll be able insert the scope into small places to inspect the head and cylinder walls for rust or scoring, plus see exactly where and how the straw tube is situated in the cylinder.

Also, have you checked the lower end. If everything turns out fine, the only cost is a gasket and and seal. My engine had good compression and ran fine, but since I had the engine out I pulled the oil pan. I found one rod bearing worn and the rear bearing had small gouges. Probably would have gone many more miles, but didn't want to take a chance on trashing the block at some point down the road.

I like the red fan. Anything to keep me away from spinning things and people calling me stumpy for the rest of my life.

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Got the engine freed up and spinning. Piston at the top of its stroke... WOO-WOO!! Back to the shop...

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Don't feel bad about the straw. Just another gig to take care of. I once dropped a nut into a F-15 engine while changing a temp sensor. Took us about 2 days in the heat of Saudi Arabia to find and fish the darn thing out.

I'd be concerned about the rust and scale you found in the intake and and on the plugs . Hopefully nothing, but with the engine out, it's a good time to check it out. To prevent pulling the head, may want to try and find a borescope; fibre optics snake attached to a LCD. Home depot started selling them a while ago but they are a little spendy ($150). I checked in my town and the rental places have them fairly cheap. You'll be able insert the scope into small places to inspect the head and cylinder walls for rust or scoring, plus see exactly where and how the straw tube is situated in the cylinder.

Also, have you checked the lower end. If everything turns out fine, the only cost is a gasket and and seal. My engine had good compression and ran fine, but since I had the engine out I pulled the oil pan. I found one rod bearing worn and the rear bearing had small gouges. Probably would have gone many more miles, but didn't want to take a chance on trashing the block at some point down the road.

I like the red fan. Anything to keep me away from spinning things and people calling me stumpy for the rest of my life.

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Man, I would HATE to be the one responsible for grounding an F-15! And when I think about action vs. cost, that has to be the winner! Sorry about the laughs at your expense, but that is a great story!

You gave me the idea of the borescope... I don't have one but I have a borelight! With the piston at the top I was able to see inside the cylinder, and I could see the straw. So I hooked (Mike's idea) it with a piece of hot wire, grabbed (Ken's idea) it with the forceps, and pulled it out. I like my TEAM!! Yeah, Baby...
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...I'd be concerned about the rust and scale you found in the intake and and on the plugs . Hopefully nothing, but with the engine out, it's a good time to check it out... Also, have you checked the lower end. If everything turns out fine, the only cost is a gasket and and seal. My engine had good compression and ran fine, but since I had the engine out I pulled the oil pan. I found one rod bearing worn and the rear bearing had small gouges. Probably would have gone many more miles, but didn't want to take a chance on trashing the block at some point down the road...
I forgot to address this... you are absolutely right. I should pull the head and the oil pan, but I'm not going to do it at this time. Perhaps it's fear that keeps me from doing it, afraid of what I'll find! Don't really know except that I want to get it done and actually use it. I've had it nearly 2 years. I brought it home, drove it to my neighbor's house and showed it to him, drove back home and took it apart. I never even engaged the 4WD! I got the Jeep bug so completely that all I wanted to do is rebuild it. It ran very smoothly in all capacities so I am going on faith... maybe dumb but that's the way it is. And if it fails in a year or two, then we'll have another project. It's all good!

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Congrats on the straw removal! That's probably a JF first.

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post #57 of 5422 Old 07-09-2010, 09:16 PM Thread Starter
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I sure did. One time my father and I unloaded a 1938 John Deere Model A off the trailer into the barn. It was late at night. We decided to see if we could start it by turning the starter wheel. The thing backfired and sent the coffee can that was taped over the muffler through the roof. We spent the next day patching the roof.
Cracked me up! I bet it scared the heck out of you...

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This looks like the start to an awesome build, definitely going to follow it. You and Clay are doing a great job so far.
Thanks for the kind words. I hope we are worthy!

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I had to change my shorts to say the least!
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I've been wanting to see the manifolds mated, so here they are mocked up. They don't look as good together as I was thinking they would, too many different colored parts, but I am still happy with it. Since I had to drill out the two broken bolts on the exhaust, I will be heading over to my neighbor's shop to cut some threads in the holes. I don't have any taps that large. I'll remove the heat riser altogether and plug those holes. With luck, I should have it hung on the motor tonight.

My neighbor will be doing the frame repairs as well, and we'll be taking the frame to his house/shop (which is just about 1000 yards down the road) on Monday evening when I get home from work. This has been the biggest obstacle for this build (knock on wood!). I can't wait to have everything back into a rolling chassis! But I digress... !
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Okay! I should have left well enough alone, but I was in a work mode and I hate stopping that train! So I told y'all about the broken studs in the exhaust manifold, and I told y'all how I drilled them out with my drill press. I figured I would just tap some new threads into the holes, and throw some bolts in there, and just rock and roll! I don't have any taps that size so I took it down to AJs (my neighbor) 'cause he is amazing! He removed the heat riser for me and plugged those holes. Then we progressed to MY work... you know... the holes I drilled out! I didn't have them straight (plumb) and they were elongated from the bit drifting. And AJ pointed out that you need to bolt up the manifolds to the block BEFORE you tighten the two together, as they need to shift against each other a little, or you could crack a manifold. So he had to heli-coil the holes. Only... one of the holes was so bad the heli-coil(s) wouldn't take! In the end, AJ used Loctite Weld and put in a stud. So I nearly cost my son a manifold due to impatience, because I didn't center punch the broken bolts, when I KNEW I needed to!! Here are some pics of the process. There is nothing that y'all haven't seen before, but sometimes it is interesting to see what goes on.

A couple of points of interest to me... the holes where the heat riser shaft passed through the casting had bushings in them. I would never had known that if not for AJ. I would have attempted to thread the bushings...

And AJ showed me a center punch set. Sounds like a small thing, but I had never seen what he showed me. I always use a center punch by guesstimating the center of the object. His set looked like they were made from pushrods, and they were in varying sizes to fit different sized holes. The punch would slide perfectly and snuggly into the hole and center automatically.

Bon-a-petit!
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