Hello all. I'm looking to get another Jeep, and although I'd take just about any Jeep, these are the three that I have narrowed it down to; CJ8, CJ10, M715. Would any of you who own or have had past experience with any of these be able to give pros and cons about any of these. Thanks
CJ8 - Awesome fairly unique rig with legendary Jeep roots and extra carrying capacity. Long rear overhang not great for serious wheeling.
CJ10 - VERY unique rig requiring significant mods to get streetworthy. UGLY fenders. Very cool cab. Very hard to find.
M715 - Awesome look, the only fold down windshield, convertible top FS Jeep. Fits big tires with no lift - I think even up to 37s or more. Comes with like 5.xx:1 or something gearing. D60/D70 axles are tough, but have crappy shafts and closed knuckles. Early wiring can be problematic, and the springs are rated for 5/4 tons, so they obviously don't ride well on the road.
Any of these would make for a sweet rig. How much modification are you capable of doing? How much $$ do you have to spend? From an affordability (initial purchase) the M715 comes out way ahead of the other two with units frequently seen from $1,000 to $2,000 in the NW regions. From a stock drivability standpoint, the CJ8 is the winner.
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I don't have anywhere near the data to back me up that Jode does but my vote is the CJ8. I'm pretty much jealous of everyone that I see. Plus you'll have the easier time finding parts for a scrambler than the other 2..
are you looking for a turn key rig or a project..A decent scrammy is going to run you some bucks...Are you going to off road it?
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Its not going to be entirely on road, nor off.
i would like it to be able to go into the woods to get some fire wood, and then be able to drive to surrounding cities and towns to deliver pottery, but its a Jeep so how would I be able to resist at least a little four wheeling. I'm also not afraid to put the work into it myself, so turn key isn't a neccessity, but I don't want to ressurect one from the dead either.
Take a look over on http://www.cj-8.com/forum/ . There's plenty on Scramblers and some on 10's. M715's are more related to J series trucks, size wise.
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Now how about mechanical reliability. I realize these are older vehicles and things are going to need repaired. What are some common problems that can be expected, or what are some things that I should look out for with any of these choices? By the way, one of those is a pickle, and one is a banana, I never knew that. I thought the were both bananas.
Well, the 8 comes with the regular CJ drivetrain so that one is a no-brainer. I can't remember what engine/tranny the 10 comes with, but w/ a 10, you are pretty much buying a body and then building it from there, so it all depends on you.
M715s come with 230 which is pretty underpowered. The goodnews is that since a lot of the body parts (including the cab) are interchangeable with Wagoneer/Jtruck/Cherokees, it is a pretty simple swap to drop a FSJ drivetrain in there.
All three rigs (when built right) are phat, so IMHO, you can't really go wrong here.
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Like Jode said, the CJ-8 has the same drivetrain as any other CJ-5/6/7 of the same vintage...it's just a stretched CJ-7. The CJ-10 was built for export and is nearly impossible to find in the US and goes for top dollar when you find one. The more commonly found ones in the US are the CJ-10a flight-line tugs which are a project...period. The M-715 is slow and under-powered, so cruising from town to town/city to city means an engine swap and probably a re-gear would be in your future...it's a big-*ss military hauler.
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Hey nice pics. No matter what I get I'm planning on dropping a 350 in it because I'm going to be putting a new (a.k.a. rebuilt) one in my 1972 chevy truck, which I then plan on converting over to E-85. If that goes well I'd like to take the old 350, rebuild it, and then do the same to it before putting it in the Jeep that I might own by them.This whole process may take over a year due to money, or the lack there of.
I'm in the middle of building a CJ8, and when it's done it will be a very fun rig. Mild wheeler, for sure (since I already have a big trail rig), but I'll have a lot of fun with it.
I know a guy here locally who has TWO CJ10's and wants to sell them both. One has a diesel and is titled in CA...They definitely win the "unique" category, but personally I think they are ugly as hell.