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Unread 07-06-2015, 01:12 PM   #1
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Angry Cj7 with wagoner axle pitman clearance issues

Ok, I'm sure there is multiple threads on this but I've looked for over an hour and can't find the answers to my problem, so don't get all bent out of shape cause I started this thread. I have installed a 79 wagoner Dana 44 under my 81 cj7. I cut down the driver side and keep the springs under the axle. The issue now is the clearance between the bottom of the pitman tiderod and the steering tide rod,I only have about 1/2 in. The steering tide rod ends set on top of the steering knuckle ,if they were under the knuckles I'd have great clearance. So what do I need to do? If the pitman arm had a dogleg going up this also would work. Anyway this conversion has kicked my *** and just as I thought I was almost there I run into this, so HELP!!!

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Unread 07-06-2015, 01:29 PM   #2
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What pitman arm are you using?
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Unread 07-06-2015, 03:20 PM   #3
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Stock cj, it's flat.
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Unread 07-06-2015, 03:21 PM   #4
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Unread 07-06-2015, 03:37 PM   #5
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Ok, You have your pitman arm the tid rod end goes up, the wagoner tid rods on the steering ( rod link,what ever it's called ) connects the two steering Knicks together, on the wagoner this rod sets on top of the knuckle on the old Dana 30 they conect from under the steering knuckle so I lose my clearance. I only have about a 1/2 in. From the bottom of the pitman tre to the top of the steering link. I'll try to post pics.
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Unread 07-06-2015, 03:43 PM   #6
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Tiderod issues

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Unread 07-06-2015, 03:47 PM   #7
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Ok, You have your pitman arm the tid rod end goes up, the wagoner tid rods on the steering ( rod link,what ever it's called ) connects the two steering Knicks together, on the wagoner this rod sets on top of the knuckle on the old Dana 30 they conect from under the steering knuckle so I lose my clearance. I only have about a 1/2 in. From the bottom of the pitman tre to the top of the steering link. I'll try to post pics.
In other words, your pitman arm is long enough that it places that drag link over the tie rod. You can get a steering box relocation bracket that moves the box forward or you can move your axle backward as you have located it too far forward to clear your steering. You could use a shorter pitman arm but that will limit you steering lock to lock and slow the steering down. What tie rod ends are you using as the CJ taper is a bunch smaller than the Wagoner?
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Unread 07-06-2015, 03:49 PM   #8
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If you move your steering box forward 1.250 inches with this mount it will cure that problem. However, it will induce other problems. One being your steering shaft may not extend enough to reach and second, you'll have to cut a rather large notch in the cross member to clear the power steering lines. Some folks aren't comfortable with that level of modification.



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Unread 07-06-2015, 05:13 PM   #9
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Wangoneer tre at steering knuckles and cj tre at pitman arm
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Pushing the box forward is about your only practical solution. The drag link (not tie rod or tide rod or tid rod) needs to go forward and going to a shorter pitman arm will reduce your steering radius.
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Unread 07-06-2015, 07:04 PM   #11
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Been there and dealt with this....
I moved my steering box forward with the mount that moves it 1.25" forward....not enough. I ended up moving the drag link up to the top of the knuckle with a high steer arm and using a short Astro van pitman arm, reamed for a Waggy tie rod end. Steering radius is great, still some clearance issues when I get really twisted up.
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Unread 07-06-2015, 09:01 PM   #12
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I think I have an idea,as I don't want to move the steering box or the axle, if I could mount the pitman tie rod end down wards I could maybe get enough clearence . Now I have heard about tapered shims that let you do this,has anyone tried this and where do you buy such shims?
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Unread 07-06-2015, 09:06 PM   #13
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P.S my pitman arm is about 7" eye to eye perhaps a 5" would work,but I relize this is going to shorten my turning radius, who sell a shorter pitman arm for a cj?
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Unread 07-06-2015, 09:06 PM   #14
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I think I have an idea,as I don't want to move the steering box or the axle, if I could mount the pitman tie rod end down wards I could maybe get enough clearence . Now I have heard about tapered shims that let you do this,has anyone tried this and where do you buy such shims?
You'll add in bump steer and the pitman arm will still hit when the axle compresses when off roading.
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Unread 07-06-2015, 09:14 PM   #15
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Ah,I hate it your probably right it might still hit but if I could shim the knuckles and mount the tiderod on the bottom I think I'd have enough clearance, as for bump steer the drag link is real close to being level so I don't see this would be an issue.
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