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Unread 12-31-2013, 01:29 PM   #16
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The stupid bar on the back gate was designed to fit the cj7 and the yj, you can still open the back glass with out swinging the tire. but as with any cj7 you have to unzip the glass to open the tailgate. but you can open a yj gate without unziping the glass. So one Supertop product fits two models. The biggest down fall I have is an 1/8 inch space between the top and the gate. Also my worn out 5 year old Supertop was sewn to better standards than my new one. I also had problems with the bows, they are now powdercoated and do not fit properly, had to sand the coating of the ends to fit corectly.

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Unread 12-31-2013, 05:50 PM   #17
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The OP says he only wants to "open the glass", in other words window. I don't see why that is a problem with the Bestop? That's how it works, you slide the bar out from its friction fit and unzip the windows. No need to touch the tailgate if you don't want to.

I probably misunderstood something
On the Super Top models for the CJ's, you have to lower the tailgate in order
to un-do the "bar" from the two retaining sections it fits into, one on each
corner bracket that the rear corner sections of the top fits into.

You can't remove this "bar" until you lower your tailgate. That means in order
to get just the rear window open, you have to unzip both rear window zippers,
then reach inside the Jeep and flip the two tailgate brackets, and then lower the
tailgate.

Then you can remove the "bar" from the side brackets, raise/roll up the rear window
and then close the tailgate, and flip the two tailgate brackets closed.

Unless you leave it out like Colt44 said.

Otherwise, there is no way to get the rear window open without lowering the tailgate.

Its a pain compared to the way it was originally.

Jim
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Unread 12-31-2013, 07:12 PM   #18
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On the Super Top models for the CJ's, you have to lower the tailgate in order
to un-do the "bar" from the two retaining sections it fits into, one on each
corner bracket that the rear corner sections of the top fits into.

You can't remove this "bar" until you lower your tailgate. That means in order
to get just the rear window open, you have to unzip both rear window zippers,
then reach inside the Jeep and flip the two tailgate brackets, and then lower the
tailgate.

Then you can remove the "bar" from the side brackets, raise/roll up the rear window
and then close the tailgate, and flip the two tailgate brackets closed.

Unless you leave it out like Colt44 said.

Otherwise, there is no way to get the rear window open without lowering the tailgate.

Its a pain compared to the way it was originally.

Jim
That's strange because I installed a new SuperTop 2 weeks ago and the bar is above the tailgate. You are saying on yours the bar is actually inside the tailgate?
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Unread 01-01-2014, 06:49 AM   #19
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My window measurement is exact but i feel as i try to raise the rear bow i am putting extreme pressure on the top and my windshield. It is so tight the retainers rip out on the corners.

I can't help but to laugh at the "lay it in the sun" advise from best top. I told them, I do not need the top when it is 90 and sunny, i need the top when it is cold and damp. I am most likely going to toss it and go to a hard top for the money. This top is over 850 with tax, should be more like 200 since it is disposable quality,

chris
I bought a supertop in 2010 and had none of the problems you speak of.
I love the way it fits, my tailgate won't come down unless I take out the rear window bar from the channels it sits in.
you can laugh about lay it in the sun, but it works, my penis shrinks when its cold out , so does most everything
So, if you still plan on tossing it , I will take it pm me.
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Unread 01-01-2014, 10:31 AM   #20
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That's strange because I installed a new SuperTop 2 weeks ago and the bar is above the tailgate. You are saying on yours the bar is actually inside the tailgate?

Yep. The bar is there for the tailgate to close against.

Here is the text as it appears in the Best Top Supertop instruction manual
for Jeeps with a tailgate regarding the tailgate bar:

"Open the tailgate. Orient the Rear Curtain Retainer
with the rubber bulb facing down, in order to form a
seal with the top of the tailgate. Slide the groove in
the Rear Curtain Retainer onto the tube inside the
bottom of the Rear Curtain. Roll the Rear Curtain
Retainer into the top of the Corner Belt Rail. Slip
the plastic on the bottom of the corners under the
bottom of the Corner Belt Rail. Close the rear
curtain zippers."

If yours does not need to operate this way, then you must have a different model top, or perhaps one that was made for a fiberglass tub that did not come
with a tailgate opening. Do you have a picture of it?

The above instructions are the ones that have been supplied with the Supertops with tailgates for
over 13 years.

The instruction manual even states that with the tailgate bar, that you can
open the tailgate without removing the rear window.

Jim
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Unread 01-01-2014, 10:33 AM   #21
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A update,

Finally got the top in place using the rear window to hold the thing together, When i unzip the rea window some the top pops out of the retainer.


Pulled the top off, measured the top from the windshield seam to the seam above the rear glass. the new top is 1 3/8 shorter than the older best top.


From the rear seam to the body both measure the same.
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Unread 01-01-2014, 11:01 AM   #22
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Soft tops need to be installed in warm weather. They are supposed to be short so when it installed it will stretch to size.
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Unread 01-01-2014, 01:49 PM   #23
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Yep. The bar is there for the tailgate to close against.

Here is the text as it appears in the Best Top Supertop instruction manual
for Jeeps with a tailgate regarding the tailgate bar:

"Open the tailgate. Orient the Rear Curtain Retainer
with the rubber bulb facing down, in order to form a
seal with the top of the tailgate. Slide the groove in
the Rear Curtain Retainer onto the tube inside the
bottom of the Rear Curtain. Roll the Rear Curtain
Retainer into the top of the Corner Belt Rail. Slip
the plastic on the bottom of the corners under the
bottom of the Corner Belt Rail. Close the rear
curtain zippers."

If yours does not need to operate this way, then you must have a different model top, or perhaps one that was made for a fiberglass tub that did not come
with a tailgate opening. Do you have a picture of it?

The above instructions are the ones that have been supplied with the Supertops with tailgates for
over 13 years.

The instruction manual even states that with the tailgate bar, that you can
open the tailgate without removing the rear window.

Jim
This is indeed interesting. Yet per the instructions, you DO NOT need to open the tailgate to roll up the window...

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Rear Curtain
To roll up the Rear Curtain, remove the Rear Curtain
Retainer and start at the bottom, rolling it to the
inside. Avoid wrinkles in the fabric and window.l
Secure it in place with the curtain straps inside of
the top.
I have never had to open the tailgate to roll up my window. I also never was able to secure that bar in place so that it wouldn't "unroll" from the brackets holding it in place with the Jeep all by itself. I also wasn't the guy that installed it and I'll have to wait until I put a new one on after rebuilding.

Fascinating...
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Unread 01-01-2014, 02:34 PM   #24
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Soft tops need to be installed in warm weather. They are supposed to be short so when it installed it will stretch to size.
I get it about some stretch but it can not account for over an inch.

First,, the fabric only stretches one direction?

second, it can not allow for so much stretch because the zippers and glass would need to stretch too, but again only in the one direction?

Here are a few more measurements, again. the side to side measure the same new to old. only the length is different.

new top over old


The back half appears to be the same, it is hard to get a good picture of it. it appears to me that most of the shortage is coming from the front section. It is possible there are just some that come smaller than others, this one is just too short.
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Unread 01-01-2014, 04:01 PM   #25
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Unread 01-01-2014, 04:02 PM   #26
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This is indeed interesting. Yet per the instructions, you DO NOT need to open the tailgate to roll up the window...



I have never had to open the tailgate to roll up my window. I also never was able to secure that bar in place so that it wouldn't "unroll" from the brackets holding it in place with the Jeep all by itself. I also wasn't the guy that installed it and I'll have to wait until I put a new one on after rebuilding.

Fascinating...
I know its weird.

But since the tailgate closes against the bar, the only way to roll up the rear
window is to lower the tailgate so that you can remove the bar from where
it slides into the two rear corner brackets.

When properly installed, you should not be able to remove the bar without
first lowering the tailgate.

Can you post pictures of yours for us? It sounds like the person who installed it might
have made some kind of modification to the way the bar was supposed to go because you said
there is no way to secure the bar.

Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried to install the bar with the tailgate
down, so you could push the bar into the two rear corner brackets, and then
close the tailgate against the bar?

Oh, and make sure we are all talking about the same top!! The OP is referring
to the Supertop. If you have one of the other tops offered by Best Top, then
maybe those are different at the tailgate then the Supertop.

Jim
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Unread 01-01-2014, 06:25 PM   #27
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I get it about some stretch but it can not account for over an inch.

First,, the fabric only stretches one direction?

second, it can not allow for so much stretch because the zippers and glass would need to stretch too, but again only in the one direction?

Here are a few more measurements, again. the side to side measure the same new to old. only the length is different.

new top over old


The back half appears to be the same, it is hard to get a good picture of it. it appears to me that most of the shortage is coming from the front section. It is possible there are just some that come smaller than others, this one is just too short.
All the tops I have installed or helped install and the convertible top on my TR6 were short. They all strech to fit once warmed up. Now I never measured them because I new they has had to strech so I can't tell you is it was over an 1" or so.

Perhaps you can contact the manufacture and see if the top is indeed small.
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Unread 01-02-2014, 11:29 AM   #28
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I get it about some stretch but it can not account for over an inch.

First,, the fabric only stretches one direction?

second, it can not allow for so much stretch because the zippers and glass would need to stretch too, but again only in the one direction?

Here are a few more measurements, again. the side to side measure the same new to old. only the length is different.

new top over old


The back half appears to be the same, it is hard to get a good picture of it. it appears to me that most of the shortage is coming from the front section. It is possible there are just some that come smaller than others, this one is just too short.
My top shrinks over an inch easily. But you could have a bad top. Mine shrinks so much that I don't even attempt to remove or install it in the cold. I just put it on around the end of September and leave it on. Mine has the snaps, it's a major PITA when cold. When it's warm I can put it on alone in just a couple of minutes. When cold I can snap one side and there's like a 2" gap on the other side with the bow up.
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Unread 01-02-2014, 12:50 PM   #29
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Mine is a Supertop, about a month old. The bar in the back is above the tailgate, the tailgate closes under it, not against it. Since the bar inserts into the channel that is mounted on TOP of the body, doesn't that make it above the tailgate also? Is your tailgate higher than the body?

I will take pics if I can, but I won't be able to today.
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Unread 01-02-2014, 12:51 PM   #30
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About stretch, I wouldn't be surprised to see this long a top stretch two inches or more when it gets hot.
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