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Unread 09-20-2014, 11:04 AM   #1
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CJ5 Windshield Frame Install

I have a replacement frame and glass on order for my '73 CJ5.
My question is, would it be better to install the frame first, then the glass?
I have already broke my first windshield trying to replace it myself on a not-so-great original frame.
I currently live in a west Texas boomtown, where service is nonexistent, and over a dozen glass installers have either refused to install older jeep windshields, or have told me they can't get to it until the end of the year. I'm so pissed.
Against my better judgement, I'd really like to attempt the install again (this time on the new frame), but don't want to crack the glass again if I install glass first, then do something stupid like tweak the hinges when mounting the frame and put too much stress on the glass. Thoughts?

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Unread 09-20-2014, 01:40 PM   #2
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My experience-I have an aftermarket WS frame. It's dimensions are off just enough that the mobile glass guy couldn't get the glass in it.
I had to take it off the Jeep, take the frame into the glass shop, where three guys worked on it with the frame laying flat on the table.
I live in fear of a rock going through my windshield...
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Unread 09-20-2014, 03:35 PM   #3
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I would install the glass with the frame off the jeep, sitting on saw horse's. The last glass a friend helped me install ( in a OEM frame) seemed like the glass was just a bit big.
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Unread 09-20-2014, 07:35 PM   #4
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Thanks guys. I'm considering taking it into a glass shop first. By the time I buy the right tools for the job, I'm sure the cost is a wash... And I have already learned my lesson once. You don't force glass. Even if it looks so close. Some things are just better off left to a "professional".
I am still worried it might break when I mount the frame.
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Unread 09-20-2014, 09:02 PM   #5
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Don't worry about when you mount it to the tub. You wouldn't believe the abuse my trail Jeep windshields have seen, without the glass breaking. As far as tools, all the shops I've seen use are a 3/16" or 1/4" nylon rope, and a spray can of silicone lube. I broke my first windshield while trying it without a helper, a helper makes a lot of difference.

I'm not trying to talk you into it, just sharing my experiance.
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Unread 09-20-2014, 09:30 PM   #6
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Why would it break mounting the frame to the tub? It shouldn't be that bad of a fit. If anything, test fit the frame to the tub before the glass is installed to see how it fits.
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Unread 09-20-2014, 09:56 PM   #7
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I've done it both ways, and having the frame mounted to the Jeep was easier.
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Unread 09-21-2014, 09:36 AM   #8
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When I replaced my windshield frame and glass, I took the frame to the glass shop. When I went to pick it up, the guy who did the install came out and thanked me for having the frame off the jeep. I think the shops like it better with the frame off. At least mine did.
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Unread 09-21-2014, 01:16 PM   #9
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It also depends on the type of rubber seal it has. On my 74 it had the two piece seal, with the locking insert that goes in from the outside. With this style it was easier to put the seal on the frame first and then fit the glass into the seal. On my 82 it had the one piece seal and it was easier with the frame off, using the rope insert trick to insert the glass and seal both into the frame at the same time.
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Unread 09-22-2014, 02:21 PM   #10
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It also depends on the type of rubber seal it has. On my 74 it had the two piece seal, with the locking insert that goes in from the outside. With this style it was easier to put the seal on the frame first and then fit the glass into the seal.
Thanks for the tip.
I ordered the hook tool and locking strip install tool, as mine is also a the two piece locking seal. And of course having the right tools for the job makes all the difference.
I plan on laying the frame on a rug, placing the seal onto the frame, then setting the windshield on top and working the seal slowly around with the hook tool. Did it require much pressure/force when you installed on your '74?
God I hope this works. I can't afford to keep buying replacement glass.
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Unread 09-22-2014, 04:35 PM   #11
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No, not much force, and don't force it or you will break it for sure. If something isn't going into place, don't force it, just slow down and figure out what's binding.
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Unread 09-24-2014, 08:32 AM   #12
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So, my replacement frame just showed up and I am not impressed. Poorly packed, and very poorly welded. There is also a small warp in the lower flange near the corner... Guess I should try to bend it back? I am willing to bet a small protrusion in the flange is going to give me problems.
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Unread 09-24-2014, 12:55 PM   #13
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Yep, replacement frames are notoriously sucky. On the 76+ versions the mounting holes for the wiper motor are infamous for being about 1/8" off, just enough to make the linkage bind and/or break. I haven't heard of it happening on the 68-75 version, but look out for it if your wipers don't work properly. The solution is to enlarge the holes and move the motor slightly.
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