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Unread 10-16-2009, 06:52 PM   #1
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cj5 widetrac?

Does anyone know if cj5 were available in widetrac?

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Unread 10-16-2009, 07:30 PM   #2
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I've read here before that a very small number of CJ-5s got Widetracs in 1983 from the factory. Most likely for the same reason that CJ-7s got Dana44s on 1986- They ran out of correct parts.

However, plenty of people have swapped the widetracs over to the CJ5
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Unread 10-16-2009, 07:45 PM   #3
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I have an 83 and was wondering how you could tell the difference.
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Unread 10-16-2009, 07:48 PM   #4
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Take a tape measure from the WMS of the axle *wheel mount surface". 53" will be NT and 56" will be wide track.
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Unread 10-17-2009, 10:27 AM   #5
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Thanks for the help
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Unread 10-17-2009, 10:31 AM   #6
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Take a tape measure from the WMS of the axle *wheel mount surface". 53" will be NT and 56" will be wide track.
I think its 50.5" for the Narrow-Trac and 54.5" for Wide-Trac
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Unread 10-17-2009, 09:43 PM   #7
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in my experiance no cj5's came from the factory with widetracks. i did swap them into mine.. out of a 86 cj7. got lucky and it had the dana 44
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Unread 10-17-2009, 10:59 PM   #8
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If you have an 83', it's widetrack, no doubt. Trust me.
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Unread 10-17-2009, 11:38 PM   #9
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Trust me.
Why? Did you sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Can you provide a citation for this evidence that's a little more substantial than "trust me"?
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Unread 10-17-2009, 11:50 PM   #10
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Well, for one, the CJ5 only came with two different rear end axles. The Model 20, and the Dana 44. And, 76'-81' Jeep was using the narrow track axles, for the slim body style that the CJ's have. But, in 82', they started making the wide track axles, that proved to be safer for the vehicle, and more reliable. Both axles are interchangeable, because of the fact that the spring seats are in the same place. So, if you ever decide that you want to slip some narrow tracks in your CJ, there should be absolutely no problem with doing so. Did I explain well enough?
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Unread 10-18-2009, 09:29 AM   #11
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Well, for one, the CJ5 only came with two different rear end axles. The Model 20, and the Dana 44. And, 76'-81' Jeep was using the narrow track axles, for the slim body style that the CJ's have. But, in 82', they started making the wide track axles, that proved to be safer for the vehicle, and more reliable. Both axles are interchangeable, because of the fact that the spring seats are in the same place. So, if you ever decide that you want to slip some narrow tracks in your CJ, there should be absolutely no problem with doing so. Did I explain well enough?
But they continued to use narrowtrac axles up until '83 for the CJ5. Just look at 1 piece axles for sale. It should say 76-83 CJ5. 76-81 CJ7 and 1981 CJ8.

It is possible that a CJ5 was bought with widetrac axles, they are bolt in and safer. It is possible that the factory ran out of narrow tracs in 1983 or dealers swapped them in but the vast majority of CJ5s produced in 1983 were shipped from the factory with narrowtracs.
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Unread 10-18-2009, 12:27 PM   #12
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I guess, don't trust any of our words. Just go out with your tape measure, and see if it measures to be 54.5" from wheel to wheel. It's as easy as that. If it measures to be 50.5" from wheel to wheel, then yes, I was wrong. But, just go try it, and get back to us.
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Unread 10-18-2009, 01:00 PM   #13
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You should be able to do it without measuring - if the front top shock mounts are the same as the rear top shock mounts, it is almost certainly NT. The WT axles use the taller front shock mounts. Just look under the front fender and you should see the shock mounts. Here's a photo of a frame set up for WT axles, notice the difference between the front and rear shock mounts. If the fronts are short ones similar to the height of the rears on this frame, then it's probably NT.



It is my understanding that all CJ-5's were build with NT axles. It would always be possible that Jeep could have run out of NT axles and substituted WT axles at the end of the production run, but given the publicity and controversy at the time about the CJ-5's stability, I'd find it hard to believe that Jeep would have made any changes to the suspension in the last production year. Making that change would have been like an admission that the CJ-5 was unstable and could have been used against them in lawsuits.

But with Jeep, anything is possible Never say never about anything "standard" Jeep.
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Unread 10-18-2009, 02:20 PM   #14
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I saw a production number table recently and was surprised to see that only 3,xxx CJ5's were built in '83.

If they installed some WT's it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

If you guys with '83's could take some measurements it would be great.

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Unread 10-18-2009, 03:08 PM   #15
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If you have an 83', it's widetrack, no doubt. Trust me.
AMC used up the narrow axles on the CJ5 up until '83. By far, the majority are narrow.

There's a fellow here on this site that builds axles for a respectable outfit in the Northwest; I've read his reports of coming across a few original wide track CJ5.
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