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Unread 09-23-2012, 09:35 PM   #31
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Well I got some more done.
I aligned the front end with a tape.
Now it drives better but needs a tie rod end at the pitman arm so it wanders a little.
I changed the tires and wheels. I also had to replace the wiper arms, and blades.
Took a set of Goodyear Wranglers and wheels off my Bronco and moved them to the Jeep.
They're 31x10.50x15's. I prefer a little smaller tire cause its less strain on the axles and such
when you off road.


Plans are Tuesday (payday) to order the pitman arm, a bikini top and speedometer cable.
Then to the shop to replace the windshield later this week. I'm a little upset at the price on it.
They want $125 for the glass and rubber, my rubber is old an rotten, and $75 to install it.
I could most likely do it, but if they break it they get to keep the pieces. Just seems pricey for a
flat piece of glass. In comparison I replaced 1/2 the windshield in my Volvo Semi for $150. Its 2x
the amount of glass and curved. Not flat.

Price.... Maybe I paid to much but with all the junk I looked at in the $500 to $800 range I was happy with the
asking price on this one. Plus it came with the a new gas tank, and sending unit, and the 2.5" lift kit extra.
So the $1400 price was reasonable and I did hear it run and move.

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Unread 09-23-2012, 10:10 PM   #32
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Glass is that much huh? Great gotta do mine soon.

I did the alignment in mine this last week with a tape, drives much better.
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Unread 09-25-2012, 07:57 PM   #33
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I got a tie rod today..
It sure drives better but still not perfect, I'm thinking it might need some camber shims.
I'll recheck the alignment in a few days.
I got a glass guy coming tomorrow replace the windshield at house for flat $200.

I ordered some parts fromquadratec today too.
Bikini top, throttle cable (mine is fraying), and hood tie downs and last but not least a speedoometer cable.
Its driving good enough now you could get a speeding ticket.lol.
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Unread 09-27-2012, 06:29 PM   #34
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Just a little musings on where I am.
Ive got the toe set at 1/16 in.
Drivability is not to bad but its far from great.
From reading other threads here its got to be a caster issue.
I found a set of 4* shims today and pulled the ubolts,
but ran out of time before I had to leave for work.
In short it has castor shims already so I'm going to
stack them and should get the castor close to 6 maybe
even 7*.
Its got 31x10.50 on it and 2.5 lift.
Stay tuned... Tomorrow I hope to finish it up and keep my
fingers crossed it will drive well enough that it could run
the freeway occasionally.
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Unread 09-27-2012, 07:52 PM   #35
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Your 5 is coming along nicely
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Unread 09-27-2012, 09:15 PM   #36
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I'd be surprised if you need that much castor. Unless you are running huge shackles.
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Unread 09-27-2012, 10:35 PM   #37
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I'd be surprised if you need that much castor. Unless you are running huge shackles.
just some stock length shackles.
The bushings are but not the shackles.

It has caster bushings and they're very close in height to the
4* I got today so one set alone will not help.
I seen that latter year CJ actually used as much as 6* so with the two It will put it close to 6 overall.

I havn't seen where anyone else using Rough Country springs
in the 2.5 range have needed more than stock.

Hopefully I can finish it in the morning when I get off work
before I lay down....
Will be nice to have docile enough that the wife could use
it if needed.
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Unread 09-27-2012, 11:00 PM   #38
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Dang! I don't have any shims, but my castor might be way off too! Good luck with the smoothness!
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Unread 09-28-2012, 12:30 AM   #39
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http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits...5502&t_pl=1814

I found these locally.
They was actually for a Wrongler being 2.5 wide.
So I did what any good CJ'r does.... I made them work anyway.

Hopefully later this morning I can report back on how they work
out. I'm fighting the U bolts they're slightly to wide and a PITA
to get them back in. Thus the reason I didn't get it done in 20
or 30 mins like it should have been.aarrgg.
Thank You Rough Country for the great QC.
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Unread 09-28-2012, 04:45 AM   #40
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Did I read that you plan to "stack" multiple shims together, to correct you caster?

If so....yikes!

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Unread 09-28-2012, 03:07 PM   #41
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MAtt,
I looked at it, but didn't stack them.
Not that they would have went anywhere, they're notched and the captured by the U-Bolts.

Well I started on it this morning and promptly stripped a nut and the U-Bolt looked bad,
so that got put on hold and I had to get some sleep I work nights....
So my loving wife found me two more U-Bolts and I got it put together.
I used the 4* shims and I can say there is a pronounced difference.
Its not perfect but it is very managable now and you can drive it with one hand.
Not both hands on the wheel waiting for it to dart here or there for no rhyme or
reason.....

Here is the old steel shims I pulled out.


What you can't see is the wear on the these those lighter marks are where the axle has worn into the shims over the years.
If I had to to make a guess these was a 2.5* shim they was slightly thinner than the 4* I replaced them with.

So for the record Its a net positive the driving in circles in the wheel will start returning to straight on its own.
The feel is lighter in the wheel and made it feel almost power steering like when moving.
The lightest move of the wheel effects steering now as it should be, not 1" to 2" of movement
to correct little inflections in the road surface.

I can't say that if your shims was good and flat ramps you would need this with a rough country 2.5" lift.
I never drive my CJ before installing the lift so there is no before and after reflection here.

Thanks for the all the comments. It sure makes one feel better that someone is actually reading this too.
Not just me posting it for posterity.

In retrospect if you need shims I would suggest finding the 2" wide ones for a CJ, I used 2.5" wide wrangler ones
and just narrowed them with the cut off wheel at the U-Bolts to make it work.
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Unread 09-28-2012, 03:30 PM   #42
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Nice man! It feels good when you pull something like that off!
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Unread 10-09-2012, 11:31 AM   #43
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Just a little update.
I've made a little progress.

I had the brown truck deliver some parts.
Mentioned before.
Speedo cable, throttle cable, and bikini top.
So on went the parts.I even started some painting.
Well the top was easy enough the cables too.
Then the new speedo cable lasted for about 20 miles.
Then the speedometer locked up, and the cable twisted itself
into a pretzel burn up.
So now it needs a new speedometer and able too.

That is Krylon Pumpkin Orange.

Its never going to be a restored just an honest daily driver, hunting, utility vehicle.

One more snippet.
I'm going to do the 4.0 head swap soon.
I have a bad exhaust manifold and will not seal off so it sounds like a dump truck.
I have a couple 4.0 heads already and Cherokee exhaust header.
I have a friend at work that use to work at a furniture factory. He gave me
some very nice vinyl in black to recover the seats in. I've looked at the
aftermarket covers and they all look just that aftermarket tacky.
So we're going to take the OEM covers off and use them as a pattern
to make the new covers.
I think the orange and black motif is going to look good.
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Unread 10-10-2012, 06:23 PM   #44
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Say it with Krylon....
It still needs another coat or two, due to light and dark streaks.
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Unread 10-21-2012, 01:13 PM   #45
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So I recovered the seats, Mom actually did the sewing, and a friend
that use to work in a furniture gave me some material.




Pay no mind to the bondo there, It was all cracked out etc, and needs ground out and refilled.

Krylon Pumpkin Orange,

I like it....
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