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Unread 08-20-2013, 09:26 AM   #1
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CJ windshield in a YJ frame

I have searched and read 100's of threads about this but there is one thing I need to know that I can't get a solid yes or no on. Can I put a CJ windshield in a YJ frame if I use the CJ gasket. I really don't want to deal with glue. The threads that have this mentioned don't really address it and before I buy something that won't work I wanted to check in.

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Unread 08-20-2013, 09:48 AM   #2
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Then your google must be broken. The thread below was the first one listed when I googled "CJ windshield vs YJ windshield glass size"

See post # 7:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...frame-1226182/
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Unread 08-20-2013, 09:55 AM   #3
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Google works just fine. I saw that one too...and it's the ONLY one that says that specifically. I was looking to get some support for that. I've seen plenty of examples of wrong info getting spread by 1 "expert" who had no idea what they were talking about. Trying to get info from a few sources to feel confident I am thinking the right way. Thanks though.
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Unread 08-20-2013, 09:59 AM   #4
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Then contact Ed directly and ask him if he has actually done it? He was online today and since it's apparently the only online record maybe go straight to the horses mouth.
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Unread 08-20-2013, 10:03 AM   #5
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Now that's something I didn't think of, thanks
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Unread 08-20-2013, 05:55 PM   #6
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I've seen plenty of examples of wrong info getting spread by 1 "expert" who had no idea what they were talking about.
And while I totally agree with that statement, because I too have seen it, I wouldn't stop there, but look at the specs of the person giving the information (in this cause...Me). Details on far left and signature show Ive been a member here for just over 12 years, have over 3500 post, currently own at least 5 Jeeps, and any search of my threads or posts show I have extensive Jeep knowledge and many times post pictures with my responses.

Here's a good example : http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...b-pic-1556364/

I'm not defending myself or trying to prove anything, just stating the facts. So, yes, I rebuild Jeeps and have been working on them for about 20 years. I have more parts on hand than most....This allows me to not only learn all the interchangeability, but take pictures and share. Such as I will do now.

It just so happens that I'm working on two CJs to sell, and both need WS frames. One is a hodge podge of parts being sold as a hunting camp special, so it will get a YJ frame because I have a spare one, and yes, CJ glass and seal on the inside of it.
Just to get you some quick specs and pics, I pulled out a few WS frames and snapped a few pics.

Various CJ and YJ WS frames



Glass is out of all but one, so hopefully the measurements will confirm what you need

Start on the inside center edge of each



14 and 7/8s to the other side on both CJ and YJ





The CJ glass is about 15.75"



While the YJ glass is about 16.25" wide


So with the CJ glass being smaller all the way around, the difference is in the seals used with each. The seal must match the glass its being used on.

Both types of glass are larger than the inner flange in the frames. Thats OK because the glass rest infront of this flange. The CJ uses a one piece seal with offset channels....the thinner section toward the front AND glass is removed with the seal on and toward the front. The YJ uses a sealant and is glued to the flange. Then a outer seal goes around it with a metal clip at the joint and an inner seal on the inside to fill the gap.

Now, here's the secrete...Both frames vary a bit on the size of the inner flange...this area... The are to the left of the tape measure end


The CJ flange averages about 9/16 of an inch all the way around while the YJ one is a bit thicker at just over 5/8s. While that doesn't matter for the YJ seal as it rest on it (glued), it could effect the CJ seal as it goes into the seal and could bottom out. What I do is use a flapper disk on an angle grinder and clean up, trim, and even out this YJ flange to better fit the CJ seal.
No, I don't have a picture of one in there right now as you will have to wait till I do body work and paint all the sheet metal first....so that's the best I can do for now.
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Unread 08-20-2013, 06:13 PM   #7
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Ed,

I hope you understand I was speaking generically and not about you specifically. It doesn't sound like you did though. Thanks for the great info, that is what I needed to hear. I post very little because I am pretty good at searching but sometimes I come across something I need spelled out for me. You also raised a good point that never occurred to me with the flange width. Thanks for your help!
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Unread 08-20-2013, 06:52 PM   #8
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No worries, It was a just in case thing....BUT I do know what you mean about a lot of wrong info out there and Ive even found some Jeep books wrong....like posting wrong year ranges or stuff. Then there's the folks who just re-post what they read somewhere else as if it was true. That's why I like to use pics and try to be 99% sure on stuff or else just stay quite. In the end. it's the small details that can make or break a clean install (or broken glass in this case).
And speaking of broken glass, in case it helps some one, Ill show how I remove CJ glass and I havent broken one yet with this method....probably just jinxed myself.

This can be done in the Jeep, put a lot of time I remove the frame and place on a table (folded down could work too).

You need spray cleaner, a cotter pin removal tool, a 2x4 board, and a garden hose....yes, a garden hose. I think Im the only one who uses one, IF there's others, chime in.

Pull back the seal on the inside and push the hose in to hold it back, work along the seal, carefully sliding the tool along to pull the seal out and push the hose in with your thumb.


You can stop just past the corner and really only need one long side and both sides exposed....but ALL corners.

Spray cleaner to act as a lube along the holes....the tool can be run between to allow it to work in.

Use a board to apply even pressure along the whole top and gently push the glass down and out at the top edge....stop once it clears, and pull forward to free the back edge. the seal should stay with the glass. Do not pry against the glass.


I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY IF YOU BREAK YOUR GLASS as this works for me and we all have different levels of finesse......
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