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Unread 09-06-2012, 02:22 PM   #1
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CJ wheels and tires for M416 trailer?

I'll stock CJ7 wheels and 31" tires fit the stock M416 trailer?

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Unread 09-06-2012, 02:23 PM   #2
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Unread 09-06-2012, 05:21 PM   #3
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Yes. 5 on 5-1/2
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Unread 09-06-2012, 07:55 PM   #4
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Yes.... but.....

The bolt patern is the same on the Jeep CJ and the M416

The problem will be that the tire sticks out WAY too far.

The M416 axle is designed to use the M151 MUTT rim, which has a lot of negative offset. This means that the lug nuts are almost even with the outside edge of the tire.

On standard CJ rims the lug nuts are approximately in the middle of the tire.
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Unread 09-06-2012, 08:17 PM   #5
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... The problem will be that the tire sticks out WAY too far.

The M416 axle is designed to use the M151 MUTT rim, which has a lot of negative offset. This means that the lug nuts are almost even with the outside edge of the tire...
By your description, I think you mean positive offset.
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Unread 09-06-2012, 08:40 PM   #6
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By your description, I think you mean positive offset.
Oop's - you're correct, it would be "positive" offset"....

The issue of using CJ rims is as I described though. They will fit, but the minimal offset of a typical CJ rim will stick outside of the fender when bolted up to a M416 axle.

The only way to use CJ rims is to change axle to a narrower one, or perhaps cut down the stock M416 axle...
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Unread 09-06-2012, 09:46 PM   #7
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The reason I ask is I'm headed to pick it up and the tires might be questionable. I have some extra rims and tires lying around and it would be good to have some tires I trust to pull it back home.
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Unread 09-06-2012, 10:27 PM   #8
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I think you should be ok to use them as spares to get it home. just be aware of how wide it is so you don't take out a parked car with the tire or somthing. i did this with a pop up camper. all that I had that would fit it was an old go cart rear tire. nylon belted that thing howled, was about twice as wide as the camper tires. had an extra in case it blew.
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Unread 09-06-2012, 11:47 PM   #9
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Thanks. I feel like I'll actually make it home now
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Unread 09-07-2012, 08:29 AM   #10
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The old Willys wheels work.
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Unread 09-07-2012, 09:00 AM   #11
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Yeah, CJ wheels don't look pretty on an M416, but they WILL work. Nice to know that the spare on the back of the Jeep will get the trailer home though...
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Unread 09-07-2012, 04:24 PM   #12
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Just realize that the lug nuts are different! The nuts on the M416 are a flange nut, that mate up to the flat face of the rim because these are hub piloted rims. The rims for your CJ use a tapered nut (stud piloted). Also the studs of the M416 are a smaller diameter. I think they are 7/16", where the CJ are 1/2". I have heard you can get regular 7/16" tapered nuts to fit the studs to put regular stud piloted rims on them.

As for the offset issue, half of the tire will just stick out past the fender.

Some info you'll want:
https://sites.google.com/site/m416tr...t/m416faq-html
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Unread 09-11-2012, 11:51 AM   #13
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AH, forgot that! Yep, get some regular lug nuts to carry with you to use if you have to put your Jeep spare on the trailer! I have a set of lug nuts in my console for such an occasion!
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