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Unread 11-06-2011, 08:35 PM   #76
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Not to be a weenie on your thread but. I am a really really really good carburator rebuilder. That puke of a carb on those years jeeps is not worth time or money or hell even frustrations. I have the mopar aftermarked MPI fuel injection kit on my 85. Nightmares went away. I acutally sold the jeep before the one I have now because there was no good way to get the six cyl. to run good with any carb. And I like the six.

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Unread 11-06-2011, 08:37 PM   #77
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Not to be a weenie on your thread but. I am a really really really good carburator rebuilder. That puke of a carb on those years jeeps is not worth time or money or hell even frustrations. I have the mopar aftermarked MPI fuel injection kit on my 85. Nightmares went away. I acutally sold the jeep before the one I have now because there was no good way to get the six cyl. to run good with any carb. And I like the six.
Are you saying the the Weber I'm going to put on is no good?
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Unread 11-06-2011, 08:42 PM   #78
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I struggled with it and the jeep struggled with it. But maybe webber has gotten better. But Once Fuel Injection always fuel injection. Hell even a junkyard injection system will do great.

Also. If you notice that steering stabilizer mount between your spring pack (wedge) and axle. There is about a 1/4 of an inch higher your axle will sit that will give your jeep a slight lean.
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Unread 11-06-2011, 08:47 PM   #79
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I struggled with it and the jeep struggled with it. But maybe webber has gotten better. But Once Fuel Injection always fuel injection. Hell even a junkyard injection system will do great.

Also. If you notice that steering stabilizer mount between your spring pack (wedge) and axle. There is about a 1/4 of an inch higher your axle will sit that will give your jeep a slight lean.
If I have to I will put a spacer on the other side, but right now the Jeep sits level. I put that back in because I want to go back to the stock stabilizer. I picked up the other bracket off e-bay. Now all I need is the correct shock to put it all together.

I'm going to mechanical fuel injection on the dragster next year. Currently running an alky carb.
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Unread 11-06-2011, 08:56 PM   #80
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I have a nice car. I have a nice truck. I always drive my Jeep. Just love it and I do hope you get to enjoy yours as much. I do beat it up a bit wheeling. My 15 year old son was driving it daily to school and lacrosse practice for almost a year. When summer hit I never got to drive it except when the tank was empty and needed filled.

My other 1985 was bought in Ohio. The valve cover gasket leaked so bad that the oil it spewed protected the front half of the jeep from rust. I replaced all the metal in the back half with thicker gauge and drove it for ten more years. Sold it then bought another one 2 years later. DUH.

I will be watching this build up.
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Unread 11-12-2011, 03:08 PM   #81
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Ok, took on the rebuild of the top of the transmission today.



I hope to remove som of the slop out of the shifter pattern. There are parts that show wear.



Took pictures along the way so I could get it back together



I got the parts transfered over to the new top plate.



Got the new shifter installed, and have a question, the spring retainer on the shifter has a small notch in it. Is it suposed to go into any particular orintation, and if so what keeps it there? Also note the large size of the new fulcrum pins in the new top plate.



The fulcrum pins that came in the new top plate are much larger on the outside than what was in the old top plate. They also appear to have holes in them to run a saftey wire through to retain them.

The size of them cuases the shift lever cover (rubber boot) to be distorted when I install it. Should I do anything about that, enlarge the recess inside the rubber boot? I could also just grind down the ouside of the new fulcum pins.





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Unread 11-12-2011, 04:02 PM   #82
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Glenn,

Do you mean the notch in the -->spring cap<---? Does not matter where it goes, best I can tell is the notch is there so that you can have access to the spring to push it down and compress it when installing or taking apart. As far as the boot goes it purpose is just to keep dirt & water out. Will not hurt if you modify it as long as it still seals and does not fall off.
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Unread 11-12-2011, 05:14 PM   #83
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Do you mean the notch in the -->spring cap<---? Does not matter where it goes, best I can tell is the notch is there so that you can have access to the spring to push it down and compress it when installing or taking apart. As far as the boot goes it purpose is just to keep dirt & water out. Will not hurt if you modify it as long as it still seals and does not fall off.
Yes that is the notch I am talking about.

I will enlarge the depression in the ruber boot so it fits better.

The boot was missing when I took it apart, so this has to be better then what I had.

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Unread 11-13-2011, 05:10 PM   #84
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I got the rear springs painted this weekend. We also sanded down the rear frame member that the original trailer hitch was bolted to and painted that also.

I'm going to have to remove that dealer advertisment sooon!
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Unread 11-13-2011, 11:03 PM   #85
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First off transmissions are a black box to me. I have had no good experiences with them. The transmission in the Jeep had very long throws and lots of sideways slop in the shift lever when in gear. When the Jeep was at the alignment shop it got stuck in reverse.
I did some research on a Jeep forum and it seemed like most of the problems were caused by worn parts in the top plate of the transmission, so I ventured into unknown territory.

I pulled up the carpet, unbolted the floor plate and exposed the top of the transmission. This is what greeted me



The top plate had obviously been removed at some prior point. The left front corner of the top plate was cracked clear through. The right lower bolt was bottomed out in its blind hole and later I found that the treads were stripped.

When the top plate was removed I found that someone had used an excessive about of silicone sealer as gasket material. there was pieces floating around in the gear oil. The gears themselves seemed to be in very good shape.



The forks were in nice shape, with little wear.



The grove on the shift lever that rides on the Fulcrum Pins was worn. The Shift lever cover was missing,, Transmission lever cover was badly gouged up.



So I gathered up some new parts, a shift lever, new top plate, a shift lever rebuild kit, and a gasket for the top plate



First step was to sand blast the floor panel and powder coat it gloss black, see the last picture



Time to transfer the parts from the old top plate to the new top plate. And install the new shift lever, and shift lever rebuild kit with the shift level boot







Well now here is a story, all was going so well.

I put the top on. Went through first second third and fourth. It would only go half way into reverse. Tried to go first second third and fourth again, but now it is stuck in first.

Pulled the shift lever and it was not out of the gates, pulled the cover and Third-Fourth Gear Clutch Assembly is all the way back and will not come forward. Tried the clutch, and putting the transfer case in natural. Makes no difference. It is stuck in first.

After scratching my head, writing on the forum for help, removing the transfer case skid panel, draining the gear oil out of the gear box, it was discovered that the reverse idler gear was also all the way forward.



I moved the reverse idler gear when I put the top plate on. After playing with the gears, tiring to rock the Jeep, scratching my head the reverse idler gear slipped back as nice as you would please and the Third-Fourth Gear Clutch Assembly slipped back into neutral.

The transmission is in natural. Now the rear wheels will not turn. The wheels in the rear move maybe 1/2 inch and then stop mechanically (clunk).

I did remove the rear wheels and tires to finish painting the springs and shocks black.

I'm thinking it is in the transfer case. I have no idea why this would happen. The shift lever for the transfer case does not seem to move the way I would think it would. There are hardly any detents between 2 wheel drive and 4 wheel drive high. I think I find natural, but am not sure that it goes into four wheel low.

Gears in the transmission move freely (clutch in) I can move the two synchronizer rings through 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.

I have put the top back on the transmission and it shifts really nice through all gears over and over without getting stuck. Nice distinct detents between gears and not a lot of play in the shift lever.

It has become obvious to me that there has been someone in here before me. I found both red and blue silicone sealer; one of the bolt holes for the top is striped (one of the ones to the rear). I was able to clean out a bunch of gunk in the bottom of the hole, use a thread chaser, save the last inch of threads in the hole, use a longer bolt, and space it with washers to get exactly the right length to get a inch of thread bite to pull the cover down tight on the gasket.
This problem is still unsolved.

I used the reverse fork to try and move the reverse idler gear. Yes that means I had to take the top plate back apart to get the fork



Here you see all the Gear Clutch Assemblies back in the neutral position

I am convinced the problem with the rear wheels being locked up is not in the transmission, so I have installed the top plate again and it shifts through all the gears very nicely.



I set the floor plate in place just to see what it looks like. I think I will be pulling the transfer case unless someone can suggest a better idea.,



You can see the story with the pictures in the correct locations with the text at this link.

http://www.leverfamilysite.com/1984_...2011_11_13.htm
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Unread 11-15-2011, 06:49 PM   #86
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looks great, I am at a similar step with my CJ . What did you use to seal the floor plate to the floor?
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Unread 11-15-2011, 07:50 PM   #87
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looks great, I am at a similar step with my CJ . What did you use to seal the floor plate to the floor?
I have not done that yet as it looks like I will be pulling the transfer case this weekend. My plan is to use silicone gasket sealer.
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Unread 11-15-2011, 10:07 PM   #88
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Glenn - I spent last weekend fighting a similar mystery...alll I can offer you after reading your post is what I experienced:

1. The T176b top plate is tricky and when it "feels" like you are running through the gears without the engine running it seems like it shifts "correctly." All that changes when you spin the main shaft.

2. Getting the top plate to correctly seat is a giant pain in the ***. I tried to explain it in a write up and that was the best I could do after innumerable attempts....

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/op...57/index2.html

3. It's the top plate...even if you want to blame all the other logical problems...it's the top plate.

I can only recommend that you try and try again. Good luck!

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Glenn - I spent last weekend fighting a similar mystery...alll I can offer you after reading your post is what I experienced:

1. The T176b top plate is tricky and when it "feels" like you are running through the gears without the engine running it seems like it shifts "correctly." All that changes when you spin the main shaft.

2. Getting the top plate to correctly seat is a giant pain in the ***. I tried to explain it in a write up and that was the best I could do after innumerable attempts....

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/op...57/index2.html

3. It's the top plate...even if you want to blame all the other logical problems...it's the top plate.

I can only recommend that you try and try again. Good luck!

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Moc and I talked on the phone about my problem.

It was discovered that the front drive out of the transfer case turns freely, and that both shift rods at the front of the case are even. This would say that the case is in four wheel high (you should not be able to turn the front drive shaft).

The rods cannot be shifted so that one is in and the other is out (two wheel high). This indicates that there is a problem inside the case (even if that is not the problem with the rear wheels stuck).

Current the plan is to pull the case this weekend. (Not hard at this point as the skid plate is already down) This will give me a chance to 1) see if the output of the transmission turns, 2) see what the problem is with the transfer case, 3) clean all the gunk that is on the case , frame, skid plate, etc, 4) Powder coat the plate (I have received the new powder that should be a match to the Jeep).

This will give me an opportunity to see if it is a match. If there is a problem with the tcase I have found it may be cheaper just to replace it rather than fix it.
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Ok, this morning’s task was to take the transfer case out of the Jeep.

This is being done because the rear wheels will not turn.

A little background. I talked with Moc on the phone and it was determined that the two shift rods coming out of the transfer case are not operating as they should. They will not move into a configuration where the two rods are even (two wheel high, and the front drive shaft turns freely, even though the case is in four wheel high).
So we start with a Jeep that is slowly being taken further and further apart.



The underside under the skid plate is pretty gunky and we will have to clean it up.



Got the case out and on the ground.



Carried it down to the basement and got it onto the workbench.



Took the inspection plate off the bottom and could find nothing wrong other the gears did not seem to be lined up correctly (rear output yoke still would not turn, the front one turned freely)



We still could not get the transfer case to shift between L4 N H2 and H4



We came to the conclusion that the shift linkage itself was the problem, that it was frozen in place by mud, rust, and gunk



After struggling to get it apart, we were able to free it up and get it to shift



I did come across this situation that is not in the parts break out. I know the switch on the right on top of the transfer case in back of the shifter is for the four wheel drive indicator, but what is the “Plug just to the left of it. The parts break out calls for a poppet balls and springs in both the “Plug” and 4X4 switch locations? Any input?



For some reason this picture will not post so see the next post for the picture

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