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Unread 01-10-2012, 12:18 PM   #1
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block to bellhousing sleeves

on the 3 and 9 o'clock positions on the back on the amc v8 blocks their are 2 sleeves that stick out of the block to align the tranny with and bolt through. does anyone know if these are necessary? and if so, where can i get new ones?

ive been searching for a while and cant find a thing. thanks in advance!

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Unread 01-10-2012, 12:22 PM   #2
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Yes, they are needed as the properly align the bellhousing to the block as there is some movement in just relying on the bolt holes. This centers the clutch and inputshaft as well. Yes, you need them. The 6 cyl engines use them too so good used ones are out there or in a pinch a correct section of cut steel tubing would work too.
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Unread 01-10-2012, 12:24 PM   #3
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yes you really do need them to help align the block to the bellhousing. try looking at a engine machine shop. maybe they can get some for you.
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Unread 01-10-2012, 12:27 PM   #4
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****, i knew that was gonna be the answer lol. its all that is holding us up from putting this 360 in my buddies cj.
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Just for the sake of knowledge does anyone know if they are AMC specific or if other engines used the same ID and OD alignment pins?
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Unread 01-10-2012, 07:35 PM   #6
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They are called Dowel pins. Places like NAPA will have them in stock.
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Unread 01-10-2012, 08:50 PM   #7
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Covered in detail at Novak Adapters: http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/clutches_etc.htm
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I got my at the dealer for the I6

Without it it will crack flex plates and starter won't be aligned properly.
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Unread 01-11-2012, 02:38 PM   #9
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Interesting............... My b.i.l. told me they were there just to speed up assembly on the assembly line. With no jeep body on, they can take the bellhousing,transmission,transfercase as one unit and guide it on the dowels. I guess he was wrong. I'm trying to remember if the bolt that goes from bellhousing to block was a snug fit in the hole in the bellhousing.
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Unread 01-11-2012, 03:25 PM   #10
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There is too much slop in the bellhousing bolts. With out the dowel pins, the bellhousing could rotate a few degrees either way, as well as up/down/left/right. The dowel pins are a snug fit and keep everything aligned.
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it wont move up and down much because of the hole in the back of the crank. The TC on the automatic fits in the crank but it will rock side to side.

I know this......2 flexplates and 1 starter. all because of the dowel pins not in the long block I bought. (jerks never put the oil bypass unit on block also just spun the filter mount in block, also used the harmonic balancer washer for the cam gear washer with Chevy orange paint on it instead of the special one slotted to oil the cam chain....glad they went out of business! They were from York, PA.)

When a flex plate cracks it sounds like a rod knock.

To install the dowels I removed the rad, removed the bell-housing and TC bolts, Fuel line etc.....

Undid the motor mount bolts and pulled the engine forward enough to push to pins in then slipped it all back together.
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so let me make sure i understand this. those dowel pins replace the stock bolt and sleeve on the 9 and 3 o clock positions on the bellhousing leaving the top 2 or 3 bolts (cent remember how many) left to hold the motor and bellhousing together? sounds wrong.

also, we are having one hell of a time aligning the pilot bushing and clutch onto the input shaft of the tranny. any ideas?
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so let me make sure i understand this. those dowel pins replace the stock bolt and sleeve on the 9 and 3 o clock positions on the bellhousing leaving the top 2 or 3 bolts (cent remember how many) left to hold the motor and bellhousing together? sounds wrong.
Wrong. What you are calling a "sleeve" is correctly called a dowel pin. It is hollow and has a bolt through it.
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http://www.americanpartsdepot.com/engmisc.htm#dowels
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Wrong. What you are calling a "sleeve" is correctly called a dowel pin. It is hollow and has a bolt through it.
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