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Unread 06-03-2012, 09:17 AM   #796
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You know, when I ride, we, "say keep the rubber on the road"… didn't think you'd need to say that to someone in a car!!!

Bill, is that your blonde hair and pink nails?

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Unread 06-03-2012, 12:29 PM   #797
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You know, when I ride, we, "say keep the rubber on the road"… didn't think you'd need to say that to someone in a car!!!

Bill, is that your blonde hair and pink nails?
That's the "Little Woman", I'm the guy on the right

We drove the Jeep abound for 2 hours at SMORR, great place, trails well marked, clean restrooms , lots of 4 and 5 rated trails ( 1 thru 5, 5 being hardest.

We were by ourselves so didn't do anything over a 2, besides going down the easy side of a 4.

Looking foward to going back.


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We stopped at a place called Redmonds candy, I had to stop, been here 15 or 20 times. Lots of salt water taffy , fudge, and other things. Haha I never get out of there for under $40, today was no exception.

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And did I say Fudge, amaretto chocolate swirl.


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If you go down the section of I-44, between Lebanon and Springfield, stop here and check it out.

6.75 hours till home.

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Unread 06-03-2012, 12:47 PM   #798
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So there's some easy trails at SMORR huh. Good I'd hate to scratch any paint off . It sure is nice of you to be looking out for me Bill.

Hey be careful going home too, lots of accidents happen at the tail end of trips.
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Unread 06-03-2012, 08:54 PM   #799
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So there's some easy trails at SMORR huh. Good I'd hate to scratch any paint off . It sure is nice of you to be looking out for me Bill.

Hey be careful going home too, lots of accidents happen at the tail end of trips.
They're actually called ( easy trails) a road, you can call them a trail if you like.

Thank you Jim, we made it home safely at 8pm tonight, with 4138 miles on the truck, and over 450 gallons of diesel thru the injectors.

When we got home , for not even 5 minutes, Vicki was UPSET to say the least. It seems the Deer acquired a taste for the tops of her Hostas. hana now they look like Yuccas. ROFL

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Unread 06-03-2012, 09:16 PM   #800
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A iPhone marks the spot where pictures were taken. Here's a screen shot of the trip.


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Unread 06-03-2012, 09:17 PM   #801
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Damn Bill, around here Diesel is about $4.50/gallon...so that's about $2K!!! And it's time to change your oil. Glad you had a save and fun vacation, sorry about the Hostas... Bet you're glad to be home!
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Unread 06-03-2012, 09:53 PM   #802
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Missouri Jim is about 16 hours away from me, according to Google Maps. Maybe we could all meet and do a trip at SMORR? Well, Jim could be the spotter and ride the roads...
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Unread 06-04-2012, 07:08 AM   #803
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Damn Bill, around here Diesel is about $4.50/gallon...so that's about $2K!!! And it's time to change your oil. Glad you had a save and fun vacation, sorry about the Hostas... Bet you're glad to be home!
The Average price we paid was $3.93 according to my wife, who crunched the numbers.

I change the oil at 3,500 and changed it the day before we left, so I'm a little over this time. I'll have to check the oil in the truck today, to see how it did. The only time I checked on the trip was at the 1/2 way point, it was down 1/4 Qt . ( it holds 15 )This is on a 7.3 Powerstroke with 105,500 miles.

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On edit, I just checked the oil, used 1 Qt.
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Unread 06-05-2012, 05:33 PM   #804
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Just took some cool pictures of the sun with Venus in front . You can't see the Venus spot on the sun in the pictures, at least on my phone.

I used 2 pair of sun glasses, and the small glasses (#8 , these are used for viewing molten steel, in the factory I worked in in the late 70's.)

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The dot was at 1 o'clock just off the edge of the sun

The dot was viewable thru the 3 set of glasses and my prescription glasses.

A fun picture.

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Unread 06-06-2012, 01:25 PM   #805
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A small amount of work on the Q-trac Jeep started. If you remember the front hoop came from another Jeep. I wasn't square so I fix that and welded it in. I have a soft top and doors I could use, I want to save it. I planned to use the hardtop and doors from the same Jeep the hoop came from . The hard doors are pretty bad shape, so cutting on them wasn't a big deal. I first removed the interior panels.

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After working with the windows to go up and down I scribed a line, and started cutting
This is the end result.

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As you can see, the cutting was no loss to the doors.


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The interior panels will not be used on these doors. The plan is to weld a 1/2 tube into the cutout. Then maybe some plywood, and covering

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Bill, thanks for posting up all the photos of your trip. Even though my idea of a perfect vacation is sitting on the white sands of Mexico Beach enjoying a cold R&C or two, I enjoyed reading through your thread on your trip!

In the 5th pic of post #805; that looks like the rear post on a hard door where the upper meets the lower, is that correct? My set of hard doors has about the same amount of rust/ damage and one of my summer projects is to fix them so that they are stronger at that joint. They are pretty loose, and I'm thinking one good slam of the door and its going to snap. My plan was to clean them up and weld in some patch pieces, but I wasn't sure if I need remove the glass and the window gaskets due to heat. I've not done much welding, so I don't know how far the heat will reach. Any suggestions?
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Bill, thanks for posting up all the photos of your trip. Even though my idea of a perfect vacation is sitting on the white sands of Mexico Beach enjoying a cold R&C or two, I enjoyed reading through your thread on your trip!

In the 5th pic of post #805; that looks like the rear post on a hard door where the upper meets the lower, is that correct? My set of hard doors has about the same amount of rust/ damage and one of my summer projects is to fix them so that they are stronger at that joint. They are pretty loose, and I'm thinking one good slam of the door and its going to snap. My plan was to clean them up and weld in some patch pieces, but I wasn't sure if I need remove the glass and the window gaskets due to heat. I've not done much welding, so I don't know how far the heat will reach. Any suggestions?
Your doors have rubber? Bonus!!

Definitely remove the rubber. The glass may go down far enough inside the door, but I'd remove it too, to be on the safe side. The door metal is pretty thin, and the rust will contribute more to that character, so practice on a thin piece of scrap metal first. See if you can join the edges of two pieces of scrap. It won't take much to weld that door joint. Too much heat and you'll blow through it. Go easy. Once you perfect your method, come and do mine!
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Yeah, I haven't done enough practicing with my welder to do it right now. I just need to get it done before the hardtop goes back on in december. I'll remove the glass and rubber as suggested.
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Bill, thanks for posting up all the photos of your trip. Even though my idea of a perfect vacation is sitting on the white sands of Mexico Beach enjoying a cold R&C or two, I enjoyed reading through your thread on your trip!

In the 5th pic of post #805; that looks like the rear post on a hard door where the upper meets the lower, is that correct? My set of hard doors has about the same amount of rust/ damage and one of my summer projects is to fix them so that they are stronger at that joint. They are pretty loose, and I'm thinking one good slam of the door and its going to snap. My plan was to clean them up and weld in some patch pieces, but I wasn't sure if I need remove the glass and the window gaskets due to heat. I've not done much welding, so I don't know how far the heat will reach. Any suggestions?
My plan was to cut the good spots out of the frame, on the black doors, then weld repairs in, on other doors I have.

The way I see it, if the frames are bad like mine, then the rubber is dry rotted. The guide ( the felt part) is probably also bad. You might as well strip the door down. That being said, if I were fixing the black doors, I would make a repair piece, not remove the glass, use some aluminum flat stock ( the kind in a roll, sold at home repair stores)and bend it to protect the felt, glass, and window guide then weld the piece in. This would be the same procedure as repairing a rust hole in the tub using new metal.

Taking your time, and letting things cool before they get to hot, I think you would be fine.

I have 2 other sets of doors in the same condition ( the window frames) as the black ones. The issue for me is time to fix them.

So it comes down to, do other parts on the doors need repaired.

Bill

On edit, the black doors are rotary style doors, harder to come by than paddle style doors. I believe the parts, for the most part are interchangeable. With the exception of the latches. While working on your doors, I would be checking for used doors on Craigslist.

A repair thread on removing the glass, would be a benefit to all of us. Removing the glass, would mean removing the frame first. Before the glass comes out. I see no other way. It's enough of a pain just to lube the mechanicals that move the window up and down.

I have a feeling, when they were put together at the factory, the glass and frame were in place before the door skins were spot welded. Just a guess on my part.
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A repair thread on removing the glass, would be a benefit to all of us. Removing the glass, would mean removing the frame first. Before the glass comes out. I see no other way. It's enough of a pain just to lube the mechanicals that move the window up and down.

I have a feeling, when they were put together at the factory, the glass and frame were in place before the door skins were spot welded. Just a guess on my part.
I've been lurking for some time and really enjoy reading your thread! If you haven't seen it, jscherb has a nice write up on CJ door repair which includes removing the glass here.
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