post #61 of Old 10-18-2011, 03:30 AM
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post #62 of Old 10-18-2011, 04:46 AM
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Lol obviously u havent been around a well built culmina big HP gas motors belong in muscle cars not off road monsters.
There are no jeeps running in drag races
We drag race all the time. On the sand, street (however very little), and just started some asphalt.

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post #63 of Old 10-18-2011, 07:28 AM
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Lol obviously u havent been around a well built culmina big HP gas motors belong in muscle cars not off road monsters.
There are no jeeps running in drag races


yes i have i have owned 5, i have a buddy that put 600 hp and 1295 ft lbs to the ground on a wheel dyno. yes its impressive but it doesnt shake the ground like a built gas motor and he spent way more on the cummins than i have on my 496. can he outrun me? no. there is a big difference in a motor that turns 2800-3200 and one that will turn 7500. can he outpull me with a load yeah for a very few minutes until the egt gets scary hot. they stink and rattle. i have owned diesels since befor they were cool i love em but they are for work trucks, and big black smoke isnt power its a sign youve gone to far

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yes i have i have owned 5, i have a buddy that put 600 hp and 1295 ft lbs to the ground on a wheel dyno. yes its impressive but it doesnt shake the ground like a built gas motor and he spent way more on the cummins than i have on my 496. can he outrun me? no. there is a big difference in a motor that turns 2800-3200 and one that will turn 7500. can he outpull me with a load yeah for a very few minutes until the egt gets scary hot. they stink and rattle. i have owned diesels since befor they were cool i love em but they are for work trucks, and big black smoke isnt power its a sign youve gone to far

no kw, it just means ya need more whistles

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post #65 of Old 10-18-2011, 04:04 PM
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lol..i got a set of train horns, will that work? here the smoke will get them tickets

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And i also own both. 1966 chevelle as 396 bored 10 over puts 650hp to the rear wheels, as well as a dodge cummins that puts 760 HP 1400 ftlb of torgue to the rear wheels with 70 psi twin turbo 6 speed manual. I pass porches pulling a trailer and laughe at them do muscle gas engines have there place damm.rite but face it something like a jeep that sits 2 ft or more off the ground with a wheel base shorter than a fox body mustang isn't rite running 9 second quarter mile.
I am talking about something that will last the person years with 0 downgrade in proformance were as a big sloppy v8 although I.will agree does has its advantages but after 3000 miles its broke in and 20000 miles after that it starts looseing power and by 50000 ur lookin at haveing to rebuild it to get it back were it was in the first place.
And yes there is the diffrence of something that runs 3500 rpm and something that runs 7500. It is also directly related to why n 5 years ur motor will need rebuilt and ur Buddys diesel will need new injectors.
O and as for ur 496 I have 2 words for u twin turbo
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And i also own both. 1966 chevelle as 396 bored 10 over puts 650hp to the rear wheels, as well as a dodge cummins that puts 760 HP 1400 ftlb of torgue to the rear wheels with 70 psi twin turbo 6 speed manual. I pass porches pulling a trailer and laughe at them do muscle gas engines have there place damm.rite but face it something like a jeep that sits 2 ft or more off the ground with a wheel base shorter than a fox body mustang isn't rite running 9 second quarter mile.
I am talking about something that will last the person years with 0 downgrade in proformance were as a big sloppy v8 although I.will agree does has its advantages but after 3000 miles its broke in and 20000 miles after that it starts looseing power and by 50000 ur lookin at haveing to rebuild it to get it back were it was in the first place.
And yes there is the diffrence of something that runs 3500 rpm and something that runs 7500. It is also directly related to why n 5 years ur motor will need rebuilt and ur Buddys diesel will need new injectors.
O and as for ur 496 I have 2 words for u twin turbo
well i would have to see a 396 put 650 to the ground i dont see it. your cummins may make that kind of power but i doubt you do much towing with it that hot and it wont last any longer than a gas motor making that power. as far as my buddys truck its broke more than its drove i have drove pulled and raced my 496 with 0 breaking, of the motor anyway. just so you know the motor has been built 7 years now i have changed valve springs once. you want me to believe post a video on the dyno.

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What's the complete build on that 396? .010 overbore isn't going to make that power, and if that's the only mod you can list to attribute to 650RWHP, you'll be hard pressed to get anybody to believe that.
I can pass a Porsche in a Chevette. Passing a Porsche means nothing if they aren't racing you.
And if you actually have something with twin turbos pushing 70lbs of boost, you can't be crazy enough to say it's reliable for tens of thousands of miles and more with zero reliability problems IF you're driving it HARD. Not gonna happen.

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post #69 of Old 10-18-2011, 07:13 PM
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Now you guys are just reminding me of a video:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjDHne15RVw[/ame]

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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luHEOYtIFbU&feature=related[/ame]

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Kw i love you. But what they said...10 over wont get you 650hp unless theres a lot more ****. If your diesel has 70 psi..dont even start to talk about reliability.. imo youre full of it.. and kw congrats on it lasting 7 years. Uve given me hope
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I think you would have lost the #6 cylinder in that cummins by now with 70 psi and high egt's

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lol..i got a set of train horns, will that work? here the smoke will get them tickets

whistles......that's slang for turbos 'round here ya' all..............lmao .

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Smoke = unburnt fuel, a waste in my opinion.

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well its gonna be on a new tdk chassis. So.. if i have to brace it, I will.. but still.. my favorite motor is a 454 but if you're saying I'm going to have header issues, then forget it. I want it to be a blown motor and I will take the criticism for it and how stupid it might look on a jeep . lol If a 454 is too big, should I go 396, 383? Or should I go ford? or amc.. the only issue I have with AMC is that the parts are hard to find and expensive. I also know that amc's were notirously innefficient and I believe the 360 and 401 had substantial oiling issues as well as lower power outputs than those in its class. but under no circumstances will I do a 350.. I am going for uniqueness, guys!
A 6 liter LSx motor will outperform a 454 any day, and all the issues have been cleanly worked out by a variety of sources. Why use an antique, inefficent engine when stuff like the LSx is available?

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