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Unread 10-15-2011, 10:00 AM   #31
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It will change the toe if the axle is rotated it may not be extreme but it will. If you rotate the pinion up what do you think is going to happen to your toe in? I have had lifted trucks all my life i know it will change but im not here to fight about it.
Actually I see the point you are making. Changing the caster will also change the toe. Unless you have 0 toe to begin with.
Not much of a toe change, but it would change.

Take it to the extreme and rotate the axle 180, the leading edge would then be toed out.

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Unread 10-15-2011, 10:44 AM   #32
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Actually I see the point you are making. Changing the caster will also change the toe. Unless you have 0 toe to begin with.
Not much of a toe change, but it would change.

Take it to the extreme and rotate the axle 180, the leading edge would then be toed out.

exactly. if you lift the older chevy trucks the springs have degree shims made on the spring and you have to reset the toe.
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Unread 10-15-2011, 11:39 AM   #33
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Nope, I'm not going to argue either.

Your Jeep sounds bada$$, BTW

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Unread 10-15-2011, 11:50 AM   #34
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Nope, I'm not going to argue either.

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Unread 10-15-2011, 06:39 PM   #35
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Wow. It absolutely does matter.

Lets try this again. If you can't get it this time I'm at a loss because it's PAINFULLY simple.
Wow you are absolutely right. I can't believe someone would question this.

Apparently our CJ's are so old no one has ever seen one before. They are painfully simple and easy to set up.

I set my drag link position just by eyeballing the wheel position. I would say most can align toe by tape measure. My Dads tech school has a alignment rack so I checked my toe and I was only off by about a 1/16 of an inch by setting it with a tape.
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Unread 10-15-2011, 10:57 PM   #36
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It will change the toe if the axle is rotated it may not be extreme but it will. If you rotate the pinion up what do you think is going to happen to your toe in? I have had lifted trucks all my life i know it will change but im not here to fight about it.

I too see your point and also, isn't there something funky about shimming to keep pinion angle correct that messes with the castor also?
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Unread 10-17-2011, 07:07 AM   #37
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well if the lift springs rotate the axle any it will change the toe and caster, longer shackles will change it as well.
It's not really an issue with CJ lift springs since the axle mounts dead center in the springs arch, so either end of the spring lifts the axle equally without any rotation.

Like you said though, add lift shackles and you do change the geometry, but if would have to be a very tall lift shackle to affect toe to any noticable amount.
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