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Unread 12-02-2012, 01:46 AM   #16
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like mentioned: weld the tubes on the AMC20, throw an aftermarket (I'm partial to Superior) set of one piece axles in there and you're good to go.

Gearing will probably need attention to run 35s and still ike the Jeep, depending on your current ratio, but it'll need that regardless of axle choice. Maybe find a used set of axles for your Jeep with a deeper ratio (numerically higher) already installed and be ahead

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Unread 12-02-2012, 09:02 AM   #17
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I really like the way my jeep looks right now. I would like to have disk brakes up front though. One of the other problems I have that may be axle related is my jeep loves to wonder from side to side. I figure that it has to do with the groves in the road and the fact that I have narrow axles. It also doesn’t have a sway bar, it didn’t have one when I bought it. This has been the only reason that I have thought about going to a wider axle. Again this my first jeep and I am learning as I go. It is a daily driven, 4 kid-hauling beast! and I love it.
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Unread 12-02-2012, 10:16 AM   #18
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I really like the way my jeep looks right now. I would like to have disk brakes up front though. One of the other problems I have that may be axle related is my jeep loves to wonder from side to side. I figure that it has to do with the groves in the road and the fact that I have narrow axles. It also doesn’t have a sway bar, it didn’t have one when I bought it. This has been the only reason that I have thought about going to a wider axle. Again this my first jeep and I am learning as I go. It is a daily driven, 4 kid-hauling beast! and I love it.
Wandering is probably due to slop in the suspension/steering. Wider axles will make it a bit more stable but not likely to improve wander.

I picked up a Scout 44 for $100 but have not put it in yet because the gears etc are not cheap and the 20 is still going fine.

20s are not junk from a strength standpoint they are just too tedious to work on. That is why I do not want to invest the time in upgrading it.
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Unread 12-02-2012, 12:39 PM   #19
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A drum brake axle can also be converted to disc brakes fairly easily. The easiest way is to swap the outers from a disc brake CJ Dana 30. Lotsa info on the web on that (and other) disc brake conversions.
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Unread 12-02-2012, 01:20 PM   #20
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Again this my first jeep and I am learning as I go. It is a daily driven, 4 kid-hauling beast! and I love it.
how in the heck do you fit 4 kids in a CJ5 anyways?

Just try and find a matching (gears) set of Dana30 and AMC20 or Dana44 widetrack axles ...
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Unread 12-02-2012, 01:49 PM   #21
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My oldest son is 14 he rides up front. I also have a set of twins that will be 8 this month. My youngest is 6 so the three little ones ride in the back (orginal back seat) and yes I have seat belts for them all. I get a kick out of watching the little ones climb on the rear tire to help them selfs get in.
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Unread 12-02-2012, 04:01 PM   #22
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You may be making narrow axles more of a demon than they are. Jeep went wider because Consumer Reports gave an unfavorable rating to the Suzuki Samari. They claimed it was suseptical to rollovers due to it's narrow stance. This could be, but quite frankly they had to do amazing things to get it to tip.

Jeep went into the CYA self preservation mode and widened the axles. They DO have an advantage over the narrow axles. You CAN traverse a steeper slope and you CAN turn corners at higher speeds than the narrower axles. But facts are, unless you traverse steep slopes or drive like an idiot, narrow axles work just fine. They can actually get you into places the wide tracks can't. But narrow axles won't wander anymore than wide tracks. If you're wandering, most likely you have an alignment or other geometry problem

But if you go to wide track you have to go all in and replace both axles. You may get away with a wider front axle than rear, but not the other way around.

Whatever gear ratio you choose, they have to match or else you will have wheels not turning at the same speed and that will screw up your drive train.
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Unread 12-02-2012, 07:48 PM   #23
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I run Dana 44's front and rear with 3:73's and 35" tire But I have a
T18 with granny low and a Scout Dana 300 the 3:73 ring gear is strong!
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Unread 12-02-2012, 08:27 PM   #24
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I wasted Money re-gearing/overhauling an '86 D44 rear that was free w/a frame I bought. I never would have sought out a D44. I bought the hype about the D20 sucking (knowing better, but wanting the "best"(?)"). The D44 is held out as a holy grail to some. At one point, myself included, believed this.. And yes, I'm using a D44 in my '79. Am I a hypocrit, maybe. Too much cash outlay re-gearing the wide-traks, so I'll use them. I hate the wide-trak look though.
I beat the crud out of my 20 w/o fail. Airborne, burnouts etc..no failures w/a fairly stock 304 over 20 years. I know there have been huge failures, but I never experienced any. If I had to do it over again, I would have put the cash into the D20, and sold the 44 to add a locker to the 20.. I LIKE the narrow trak look. ALOT!
I agree 100% w/WindKnot.
Final answer. Build the 20, as per windknot and others. 1 pc axles, weld the tube and maybe a truss. This migh save you the expense of re-gearing.
Just my sleep deprived rant.
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Unread 12-02-2012, 08:43 PM   #25
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narrow tracks are so yesterday. if you wanna run big tires you need to go wider.much more stable
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Unread 12-02-2012, 08:45 PM   #26
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narrow tracks are so yesterday. if you wanna run big tires you need to go wider.much more stable
How do you keep it street legal??
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Unread 12-02-2012, 08:49 PM   #27
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I go in with little tires on stock rims. My 35's don't hang out that far on the widetrack axles. You could run wider flares I run YJ flares in the back of my
CJ7 they are 3/4" wider then CJ flares.
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Unread 12-02-2012, 08:50 PM   #28
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Unread 12-03-2012, 07:06 AM   #29
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I like the stock, round rear flares. So much so that I wouldn't do a tub swap and went w/ a 'glass tub. Oversized flares have their purpose, of course. Just not my cup of morning Everclear.
And I'm comfortable w/narrow-traks and can get spacers if needed.
(sarc notice!)"Yeah, I'm so yeasterday, and widetracks are so nouveau(?). Are all the kool kids going throwing away NTs to go WT?".
Seriously BlueRubi...NICE jeep. And you've done right by it.
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Unread 12-03-2012, 08:27 AM   #30
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narrow tracks are so yesterday. if you wanna run big tires you need to go wider.much more stable
I'M so yesterday! But at least I know what's going to happen tomorrow!

I crack myself up!
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