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post #1 of 12 Old 05-20-2017, 03:43 PM Thread Starter
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85 CJ Steering Column Help

So I had to take the wheel off to redo the dash. The PO had zip tied a button to the side of the steering column and run a new wire for the horn. I figured how hard can this be to get the horn right, and while I'm at it, I'll put a turn signal cancel cam in so I don't keep driving down the road like the little old man with his turn signal always on. How hard can it be...........

Well, I looked at all of the websites I could find on it, bought a new signal cancelling cam, Grant 3162 adapter, Grant 3196 adapter (bought this first, then read it was for a tilt wheel), and a Grant 338 steering wheel. I keep trying to put the stuff in, and it just doesn't feel like it is going in right. I greased the shaft and go the cancel cam in, but it just spun on the shaft, so I didn't see how it would cancel anything so I pulled it back out. And I really don't understand how the whole thing is going to make the horn work. I also think I have one of those metric shafts, due to the splines having lines through them. Pics attached, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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post #2 of 12 Old 05-20-2017, 03:59 PM Thread Starter
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Oh, and I forgot to state the obvious, when I checked parts compatibility on the vendors sites, "Fits your 85 Jeep CJ7" was why I bought them.
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post #3 of 12 Old 05-20-2017, 04:47 PM
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The lines in the splines (are mainly on the plines) - Nah - they are not Metric indicators. The left hand one (left red arrow in your bottom photo) is for the lock ring that keeps your upper guts in there (NOTE: I do NOT see it (LOCK RING) either on your shaft, nor amongst the parts pile on the table in the other photos). 2 types of lock rings (round & flat) are shown in the 1st 2 write ups below. Also - the instructions for the 3162 assembly kit specify that you keep your OEM canceling ring, or (presumably) replace it with a new OEM ring, instead of the one in the kit.

Good write ups on the upper end disassembly/reassembly of the column/tilt-column include write ups on repairing or replacing the key switch. (You have to do everything that you are doing to reach the keylock). Using John Strenk's (1st 2, below) write up, I replaced keyswitch, cleaned/greased innards, fixed cancel and (Grant Steering Wheel) horn in a few hours 1 afternoon. (My Grant needed an extra horn kit from Grant for jeeps). Excellent examples are:

John Strenk's write up - http://street2mud.com/webfiles/Key%2...t%20Column.pdf
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http://civilianjeep.info/Strenk/Stee...placement.html

http://street2mud.com/webfiles/Tilt%20Column%20Fix.pdf
(NOTE INSTRUCTION #6)

http://www.fieros.de/en/articles/steering.html

They tell you the tools to have on-hand before starting, it's better to have them, than to try to ... fudge ... it.

One other note - Since you are doing a build-up (based on the photo's). While you have things disassembled, easy access, etc - take a good look down on the lower steering column at the IGNITION SWITCH (ex: OMIX-ADA 17251.02 Ignition Switch for 76-95 Jeep® CJ & Wrangler ) - Both - the switch mentioned here and the electrical plugs that go to it. If there's any corrosion, rot, etc. clean & / or replace NOW, rather than wait for it to finally give up the ghost in a couple of years. (lesson based on experience).
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Jeep-N-0311, Thank you.

When I pulled the wheel that came with it, center cover was the bottom of a "microwave safe" bowl, there was nothing else in there. I've been searching all day for parts, any idea where I can get the parts?
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http://www.steeringcolumnservices.com . . . They will have parts but they are pricey.

The Lock Rings (red arrows) are missing as 0311 stated. You state you have a "tilt". If the steering wheel wiggles at all, go down far enough to get to the 4 torque bolts Use Locktite.
When I did mine, it was a game changer tightening those up. You will NOT regret. The key is PATIENCE. Take your time and you will find yourself doing a lot more while you are there.
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The microwave safe cover should work, it was there for dust and electrical seperation.

There are quite a few parts but once you have them all and understand the sequence they go in it is only the snap rings that cause a headache.

The compression tool is available for a few dollars or you can make one from steel plate and threaded rod, doing it without one requires three hands, the strength of Hercules and the patience of Job.

As it is a Saginaw GM column the parts are commonly available. Look for a late seventies or early eighties GM product and there are a lot of parts.

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http://www.steeringcolumnservices.com . . . They will have parts but they are pricey.

The Lock Rings (red arrows) are missing as 0311 stated. You state you have a "tilt". If the steering wheel wiggles at all, go down far enough to get to the 4 torque bolts Use Locktite.
When I did mine, it was a game changer tightening those up. You will NOT regret. The key is PATIENCE. Take your time and you will find yourself doing a lot more while you are there.
Good Luck
You were correct, parts were pricey, but they solved my problem in 5 minutes and $115.00 for the parts. Sometimes you just pay for the knowledge
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Lock ring is hard to find because no one carries the "Steering column lock plate retaining ring" for a CJ7 tilt column.

BUT - it's not TOO hard to find, because it's basically the same column as the 70's-80's Chevy Camaro & others, so replacements are out there.
Here's some other threads with info, including dimensions to build one from a hardware store spring (if no chevy dealership parts store can get you the correct ring)

http://www.modsandrods.tv/2012/03/05...eering-column/

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/st...-size-1127239/

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/sn...wheel-1044434/

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f12/s...p-ring-494679/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-STEERING-...-/252606943302

THIS MIGHT BE THE ACTUAL CORRECT RING - MAYBE ASK DIMENSIONS (Correct dimensions on thread(s) listed above)
https://www.ebay.com/p/?iid=400834154737&&&chn=ps
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You were correct, parts were pricey, but they solved my problem in 5 minutes and $115.00 for the parts. Sometimes you just pay for the knowledge
Yep, at times it's just worth the extra $ for the job to go smoothly. Don't forget to check the 4 torque bolts too. You need a special tool to remove the pivot pins but you will sleep BETTER at night knowing you tightened them while it was apart. Use "Locktite; red". Also, if you are removing it completely, replace the top and bottom bearings. You will basically have a solid & super tight steering column.
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So re-reading this, there was some confusion about tilt wheel. I bought the wrong Grant adapter first, it was for a tilt wheel. I had to buy the second one for the fixed wheel, that's what is actually on the jeep, not a tilt wheel. Sorry for the confusion, all of your help was valuable. Hopefully when parts show up, it will be a simple installation.
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The column is nothing more than a GM Saginaw column. Pretty much any GM column with key mounted in column (beginning 1969) prior to wiper controls being placed on the turn signal arm (1980?) parts will work. Only a few minor changes occurred during this period.

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post #12 of 12 Old 06-04-2017, 10:27 AM
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Rapid Roy is right. Here's my list of vehicles that use this column if it helps you any.

1976-1986 Jeep CJ
1987-1995 Jeep Wrangler (YJ)
1974-1991 Jeep SJ and J Series
1969-1982 Corvette
1969-Up Chevrolet Nova
1974-2002 Chevrolet Camaro
1969-Up Chevrolet Chevelle
1974-2002 Pontiac Firebird
1978-1995 Chevrolet Truck/Van
1978-1995 GMC Truck/Van
1976-1991 Chevrolet K5 Blazer
1976-1994 Chevrolet S-10
1976-1994 GMC Jimmy
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