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Unread 06-24-2013, 12:38 PM   #1
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81 CJ7 Carter BBD To upgrade or not to upgrade?

Hey guys I made a previous post http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/81...utter-1539175/ about an engine flutter I had been having. After preforming a "Team Rush" Upgrade and getting positive results but not much improvement with the idle flutter and doing some research I deduced that my problem is probably coming from my Carter carb. (I believe it is the version without the stepper motor)

From what iv seen, it appears as though my choke isn't adjusted properly and I'm willing to bet that the mixture screws are way out of whack as well. It seems that my jeep might be idling a little low causing the engine to be closer to the edge resulting in the flutter I'm feeling. Besides the whole thing could probably use a rebuild and clean up regardless. Also most of the vacuum lines to the carb. are cracked and old or non existent.

My question is... is it worth putting in the time to do the maintenance on this carb. to get it running smoothly? I have read that these carter carbs. can be inconsistent in there performance and if I'm going to have to do a tune up and run new vacuum lines anyway I thought it might be a good time to just upgrade to a new carb. instead. If so which one should I get?

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-Knox

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Unread 06-24-2013, 01:04 PM   #2
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What are your emissions laws like where you live? To me, that would be the first answer I'd need to make a decision. Secondly, are there rumors of stricter emissions laws in the future?

The year after I bought my CJ, northern Colorado put into place stricter emissions laws. I was stuck with a 4.2 with all sorts of modifications - intake, exhaust, carb, etc. So while it was legal the first year after I registered it, the next year it wouldn't come close to passing emissions.

Had to go with a Howell kit, and even then emissions raked me over the coals.

I liked my MC2150 while I had it, but if I had it to do over again with hindsight, I either would've went right to the Howell kit or found a drop-in 4.0.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 01:37 PM   #3
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I live in Tucson AZ. I'm not sure if they are strict or lenient because I dont have anything to compare them to. Here is a link to a pdf. which shows the requirements etc. http://www.azdeq.gov/environ/air/vei...d/elements.pdf I believe that my Jeep falls into the "Non-Diesel 8500 lbs or less GVWR" class third from the top and im located in "Area B"

It would be important for it to allow me to pass my local emissions.

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Unread 06-24-2013, 01:40 PM   #4
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UPDATE: It seems that my carb. is struggling to keep a proper fuel to air mixture. When it is idling I can choke the carb. way back and it will smooth out, but as I rev the engine the valve stays the same and the engine chokes because of the lack air coming in. I don't know if it should be this way but, if i open up the valve so it gets enough air at high rpms it wont return at all either and the engine sputters at idle?

Any ideas?
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Unread 06-24-2013, 03:13 PM   #5
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Knox, see if AZ will allow carb swaps.
I'm in CA and they won't let you use anything but the crappy carter that comes stock.
That's why I went with the CARB approved Howell EFI.
If you can, swap out for a motorcraft 2100 or a weber carb.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 03:23 PM   #6
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I have a Carter. I've had no trouble with it.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 03:39 PM   #7
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Im willing to stay with the carter, I just dont know how to adjust it so that it works properly. Anyone have any pictures, videos, diagrams, or any instructions etc. that would help me tune it up, specifically all the screws and adjusting the choke?

Thanks!
-Knox
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Unread 06-24-2013, 03:41 PM   #8
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FIRST, does the AZ. county you live in require smog tests?
IF, YES------You're screwed, and will have to get the Carter run'n 'rite'.
FWIW: I live in PRK, and have to still play the 'smog-dance' with my '85.
I'm still run'n my Carter.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 03:52 PM   #9
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If you're going to keep the carter BBD, you'll need to replace any of your vacuum lines that are cracked.
Also, have you checked the idle tubes in the carb?
They are notorious for getting plugged.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 04:26 PM   #10
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- Grits: Ya, Tucson does require smog tests I believe. Iv already been planning on replacing the vacuum tubes, just trying to work through the diagrams... As for getting the Carter running right that's what I'm really struggling with, I have no basis of knowledge of how it should look, run or really the processes of tuning it.
- Jim I have heard someone else mention the idle tubes, venturi right? How would I go about cleaning them out?

-Knox
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Unread 06-24-2013, 04:31 PM   #11
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Hey Knox...it's an easy fix.
Start here: http://www.jeeptech.com/engine/carter.html
You can google carter bbd idle tubes fix and find all kinds of info on it.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 04:34 PM   #12
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BTW....here's another great site to bookmark: http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/featur...ide-10802.html
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Unread 06-24-2013, 04:39 PM   #13
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You REALLY need to get a copy of the Factory Service Manual(FSM)and read it from cover to cover.
This may help also.......
http://home.sprynet.com/~dale02/list.htm
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Unread 06-24-2013, 05:17 PM   #14
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Thanks guys, Ill look into all that and report back!
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Unread 06-24-2013, 07:12 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by KnoxButler
Thanks guys, Ill look into all that and report back!
-Knox
Take some pictures of your carb and how the choke is setup.
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