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Unread 08-19-2010, 07:01 AM   #31
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It was the factory clutch cable from 93 Mustang 5.0.. I did replace with a new one...
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Unread 08-19-2010, 08:00 AM   #32
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When I changed mine over, I stayed with the T176 tranny. With that tranny, I used a Jeep disc with a Ford pressure plate that goes with your engine application. I later changed out the T176 with a NP435 Ford tran. All my parts are from late 70-early80's applications. The starter escapes me at the moment. The last time I replaced it, we just cross-referenced the part number on the old starter to get the new one. If I remember correctly, I did not have to shorten the driveshaft with the initial swap, but later had it shortened when I installed the NP435.

Hope this helps, and good luck with the swap. I think you'll love it!
Thanks Jeremy and Exposed for the info. I am most likely going with a pressure plate from an '80 f-150 302 with 11'' clutch and a disc from an '84 GMC 1500 305 motor with 11'' clutch 1 1/8 10 spline. So for the flywheel, should I look for one from an '80 f-150 302 just as long as it is 11"? thanks
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Unread 08-19-2010, 09:15 AM   #33
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If I am not mistaken, you will use the late model 5.0 flywheel because the 5.0 is externally balanced. I had to buy an early flywheel (internally balanced) because the stroker crank was internal balance. It should match whatever was on the motor side.....
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I also stuck with the mechanical linkage but used all the stock Jeep parts. The pivot that bolts to the bell housing only has the top hole directly line up so I used a piece of 1/4" bar stock to support/brace the lower hole. The top bolt is a straight pass through on the bellhousing and block. The middle bolt is threaded on the block but not the bellhousing so I used a piece of all thread through the block and a nut on the bellhousing side to secure the two together. Then I used the washer and nut to get the correct spacing to my reinforcement bar. The bottom bolt is to tie the bellcrank pivot to the reinforcement bar. Again, I used the washers and a nut to keep my correct spacing between the two. This was the cheap and easy route to be able to use the stock Jeep parts and the pivot is mounted rock solid. I could have used a piece of angle to make it stronger but I don't think it will flex. Calvin's solution is a work of art but a lot more fabing involved.
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I did pretty much like Jeremy above, 331 SBF with T176 and D300....
Very nice combination....
you built a beautiful CJ!!
wish i saw that Pirate thread before i put the 302 in mine!!
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Unread 08-19-2010, 10:35 AM   #36
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On the subject of the clutch linkage. From what I've read some of what people haven't liked with using the factory linkage is the the flexing between the frame, body and transmission and the affects that has on the overall use of the clutch linkage. I didn't have any problems with mine when it had the 258 but now that I'm changing engines and tranny, 302 H.O. and T-18, I will need to come up with a linkage. That makes me ask a question that I need some advice on. What if the entire linkage was made so that it wasn't mounted to the frame at all? I'm not sure if there's room enough, but would it work to make a bracket that bolted to the bellhousing that didn't rely on the frame for a mounting point? It would have to be made and mounted more rigid. What's your alls thoughts?
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The stock linkage was never mounted to the frame. One side is on the bellhousing/block and the other is attached to the tub. There is enough slop designed into the stock bellcrank setup to allow for the minor movements of the engine/tub.
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Unread 08-19-2010, 10:43 AM   #38
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The stock linkage was never mounted to the frame. One side is on the bellhousing/block and the other is attached to the tub. There is enough slop designed into the stock bellcrank setup to allow for the minor movements of the engine/tub.
Thanks for the correction Mike.
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Thanks for the correction Mike.
No problem but does that help you with your question?

I should be able to get mine permanently mounted this weekend. I can post up pictures if you think it will help. There is always more than one way to skin a cat.
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Unread 08-19-2010, 11:19 AM   #40
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Yes. I'm more or less fishing for ideas on the other ways to skin a cat. I've thought about going the cable route and Advance, and others, sell a version of their linkage too. I'm not that far along in mine to start building it yet but I've found that for me it's easier to jump in here while other folks are on the subject than it is to start a new thread. I've also found that I can avoid lots of backtracking by reading what others have done that works. Do I ever wish I'd have joined this forum before starting my own project. Also I'm the stuborn type Mike. I know I could buy all of the mounts and such to get the motor and tranny where they belong but I want to make it all myself. I'm also going to try and have cad drawings of what I've made so they can be added to 3D CJ Files? that has been started on here.

And again I thank you and all of the other folks that have taken the time to post what you've done. I hope I can be as helpful to somebody as you have my friend.
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If I am not mistaken, you will use the late model 5.0 flywheel because the 5.0 is externally balanced.
I have the flywheel from the '88 motor that I am using, if I use this flywheel, will I be able to use the '88 Mustang's pressure plate as well? If so, can I just use the CJ's clutch disc since it is 10.5in..just like the Mustang's flywheel and pressure plate? Thanks
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yes since both are 10.5'' should work fine, corrected thanks!! from what i have seen the t-5 looked like the butterfly pattern

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The factory Mustang T-5 Bell Housing WILL NOT fit the T176..... Been there and found out the hard way.. It uses a pattern similiar but no way bolt up. The other problem is on the Mustang bell housing, the fork pivots from the passenger side where as the truck bell pivots from drivers... That also causes the direction of the fork to be different. Normally on Jeep and truck, fork moves to rear but on the Mustang fork moves to the front of vehicle (cable pulls)...
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Ok so just to sum this up, I can use the '83 F-150 bellhousing & fork, the speedwaymotors pilot bearing, the '88 Mustang flywheel, the '88 Mustang pressure plate, and the CJ clutch/TO bearing correct? thanks

Here is the motor I have out of the '88 Stang. Yea its a little greasy, but I am changing all the seals and it will be getting freshened up. I have all the top end parts to go with it.




Here is the 347 stroker motor my friend put in, in its place.

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Only thing I would do different is throw out bearing. It should be for the clutch you use (Ford). Basically I used everything Ford except the clutch disc which is Jeep or GM...
If you are going to rebuilt and go completely through this motor, you might want to consider buying an unassembled stroker short block. When I figured all the block boring, crank work, block prep and then parts, it was cheaper to buy the forged stroker kit (331). I think I paid $1799 for complete setup. That was balancer to flywheel painted, freeze plugs and ready to assemble.. If need more information, let me know. I ended up selling my 5.0 short block for $200... Just a thought if you are going that route... Here is coupe shots of it...
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