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CJ7ROB 08-15-2010 01:54 PM

302 Ford V8 EFI in '86 CJ7 and my build
 
Hi I am looking to buy my friend's '88 Mustang GT motor and attempt to put it in my '86 CJ7. With the motor I will get intakes, injectors,old ecu,dizzy, and some smaller things he might have. He put in a 347 stroker which is why he's selling me the 302. The 302 runs awesome and needs nothing but some cleaning up. I will still need the wire harness, and possibly a new fuel cell with pump inside or an outside auxiliary pump suitable for EFI. So what I am asking is besides needing this, a new radiator, and new motor mounts by Novak..what else will I need? Also Novak's site below mentions not to use an SR4 trans because it can't handle the V8's power. But they do say if your CJ7 has a Tremec T176, then that is fine. How can I tell if my '86 CJ7 has an SR4 or a T176 4speed? Thanks for help

Installing Ford V8 Engines in the Jeep CJ, 1980-1986

This is what I am going after
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n.../jeepcj302.jpg

Machinist 08-15-2010 02:14 PM

I have always wanted to do this but mine already has a amc 360 so I dont know if it would be worth the cash to do it.Do a swap thread I would watch that till the end.What are you thinking that it will cost in the end?

SlikRic 08-15-2010 02:21 PM

For the transmission, if the shifter is straight with reverse over to the right and back, it should be a T-176, If the shifter is curved like an S and reverse is to the right and up (if I remember correctly) that would be the SR4. HackFabrication has a build about dropping in the motor, ise the search feature for that.

CJ7ROB 08-15-2010 02:23 PM

Well right now, my brother has a Ford T18 4spd in his truck which he may swap out for a ZF 5spd. The T18 in his truck is still good and shifts flawlessly. So without buying the trans, it will cost me a little less, but the adapter to my transfer case will cost $490 from Novak. The motor is costing me only $400. I am thinking the swap will be around $1500-$2000 all said and done.

CJ7ROB 08-15-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SlikRic (Post 9962772)
For the transmission, if the shifter is straight with reverse over to the right and back, it should be a T-176

Thanks but anyway I can know for sure? Mine is just like you describe above, but below is a pic of a T-176 I found but it has a curved shifter.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n.../T176_ftdq.jpg

SlikRic 08-15-2010 03:13 PM

Coming out of the floor, yes there is one curvebut straight after that, The sr4 is curved the entire way almost like a "S".

CJ7ROB 08-15-2010 04:56 PM

Thanks Ric, below is a pic of mine, so if its definitely a T-176, I may just roll with it since it mates up to the 302.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...ches/jeep6.jpg
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n...hes/jeep15.jpg

cj7jeepp 08-15-2010 05:27 PM

If I were you I would roll with it no matter what. Great tranny to bolt up to a V8!!

SlikRic 08-15-2010 05:40 PM

That trans will handle a 302. Just roll with it and use the money for some other upgrade.

CJ7ROB 08-15-2010 05:55 PM

Cool thanks guys, I'll keep you posted on my progress.

Havasu Living 08-15-2010 08:11 PM

Check this place out http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45309

I put a 94 mustang 302 into my 80 CJ7. I was able to keep the T176 using a ford bellhouse. clutch \ pressure plate combo is in the above thread. It's been a great swap. Love the power. :cheers:

CJ7ROB 08-16-2010 03:16 PM

Thanks Havasu, there is a ton of info in there. I read in there that one guy used a bellhousing from a Ford van. What bellhousing did you go with for your T176 and do you have any pics? thx

Havasu Living 08-16-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CJ7ROB (Post 9968376)
Thanks Havasu, there is a ton of info in there. I read in there that one guy used a bellhousing from a Ford van. What bellhousing did you go with for your T176 and do you have any pics? thx

Bellhouse, well we have 2 JY's in the area and neither one had a bell. I checked for several months. So I went to a transmission shop I've used and asked for a mid 80's truck 302 bell for manual. He ordered one and for $110 got a brand new one. Any ways after several days I looked up the ford manufacturing code and it turned out to be a mid 60's truck bell. Turned out to be no big deal. The difference you would see is the pivot point for the clutch fork. This older one had a raised bar type instead of the ball style that you'll see the T176 bell has. One JY had a large pile of these forks, must of been over 200 and found what I needed for $5. The mistake I made was cutting off 2" to match the length of the jeep fork. I made a mistake on that, changed the leverage point. Pushing the clutch in now is an effort, the clutch is either engaged or not, no smooth engagement. I'm gonna change it out for a new one.

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...ignforT176.jpg

Top fork is the jeep and bottom is for the ford. You can see the different pivot points.
http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...nby1inch-1.jpg

T176 and ford bell
http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/a...thF150bell.jpg

Hope this helps.

CJ7ROB 08-17-2010 06:38 AM

Thanks so much for the pics...I didn't realize you were the same guy on the Pirate4x4 forum with all the pics. I actually found many of your posts after I PMd you, so you can ignore the PM. Is the part# on the bellhouse C5TA-8894-A? I will try to look into finding one of them, or can I also look for one from a mid 80s Ford F150 as well? Last question I have is..does the fork not need to be shortened like you did? thanks

Havasu Living 08-17-2010 09:30 AM

Well first decide if you want a hydraulic clutch or not. I could not find one plus another level of money along with the install decided against it. Maybe in the future I'll change to hydraulic. Get the trans installed and decide if the fork needs to be adjusted. I'm going get another fork and swap it out this fall and see how it works. As far as which one, well mine works and if you can find a mid 80's for a SBF it should to. One thing to remember, whatever year bell you get make sure you get the same year starter. My 94 mustang starter bolted right up but was too long. When the engine was running the starter remained inline with the flywheel and burned up after 10 minutes of idling. It started to scream but by the time I figured out what was happening it was too late.

Once I started to research this project i picked up a stack of 3x5 cards with the box. I wrote down info on each part from what year etc I found. It's easy to recall info that way. Used up almost all the 250 cards.


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