1984 CJ-7 Steering Box Assembly is dead and need a new one - Page 2 - JeepForum.com
Search  
Sign Up   Today's Posts
User: Pass: Remember?
Advertise Here
Jeep Home Jeep Forum Jeep Classifieds Jeep Registry JeepSpace Jeep Reviews Jeep Gallery Jeep Clubs Jeep Groups Jeep Videos Jeep Events Jeep Articles
Go Back JeepForum.com > Models > Jeep CJ Forum > 1984 CJ-7 Steering Box Assembly is dead and need a new one

Rough Country Deals at JeepHut.comSave at JeepHut on Smittybilt Soft topsUp to $75 Cash Back on Your ARB Fridge Freezer Purchase

Reply
Unread 06-21-2012, 11:38 AM   #16
weapon
Registered User
1983 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: potland, or
Posts: 244
Wow. That is great info. I would love to hear more about the performance of the H1 steering box. I have a more HD Steering bracket so I hope that does not affect the install. Since it is based on the OE setup, I am going to assume that it does not.

weapon is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-21-2012, 10:07 PM   #17
VACJ7
Hockey Rules!
 
VACJ7's Avatar
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 3,781
Quote:
Originally Posted by diddy2003 View Post
Would you say it is heavier duty than the CJ steering box? Just curious because it's going in a lifted jeep and it probably makes sense to replace my shot one with something that will work better for the larger tires. Thanks.
Can't really comment on the durability. The case is the same saginaw unit. The guts are what is different. But a H1 is significantly bigger than a CJ so I would assume it is pretty heavy duty. The weak link is really the OEM bracket with large tires. MORE or rugged ridge heavy duty brackets are popular.

Wish I had it on the road so I could give you better feedback on the unit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by weapon View Post
Wow. That is great info. I would love to hear more about the performance of the H1 steering box. I have a more HD Steering bracket so I hope that does not affect the install. Since it is based on the OE setup, I am going to assume that it does not.
Since the MORE bracket replaces the OEM it should be a direct bolt up!
__________________
'84 CJ-7 | REBUILD IN PROGRESS
VACJ7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-23-2012, 10:54 AM   #18
diddy2003
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Holyoke, Massachusetts
Posts: 676
Thanks for the help on this. I think I will follow your lead and get the H1 box. I have been looking at the bracket and brace as well:
http://www.quadratec.com/products/12590_050X_PG.htm




http://www.quadratec.com/products/12590_0520.htm


Do people normally paint the bracket or just leave it as is with the zinc finish?
diddy2003 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-25-2012, 10:26 AM   #19
wm69
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,122
Hey VACJ7, did the H1 box have the bigger piston size like the J20 boxes?
__________________
85 CJ7 258, borla header, Team Rush, MC2100 ,optima batt, Warn 8274, agr super box 2 & pump, T5 w/ B&M shifter, centerforce 2, superior 1 piece axles, warn hubs 2.5 in lift, 31" BFG MT

85 CJ7 258, A/C, T176, MC2100, Team Rush, Warn XD8000i, superwinch hubs, 3in lift 31" BFG AT/KO
wm69 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-25-2012, 12:46 PM   #20
GlennLever
Web Wheeler
 
GlennLever's Avatar
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Rochester, New York
Posts: 2,013
My steering box wows

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...l#post12259054

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...l#post12259061

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...l#post12292544

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...l#post12449874

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...l#post13277426

We replaced the Power Steering gear box for the third time! The first time was because the box had so much slop in it, it was unsafe to drive. The second was because the new box was so tight that the steering wheel would not return after making a corner, and the third time (this time) was because the input shaft seal was leaking (found this when I was fixing the leak out of the transfer case).



http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...l#post13277426
__________________
Glenn R. Lever
Rochester, New York 14617-2012
My Cars http://www.leverfamilysite.com/vehicles.htm

My restoration thread here on the Jeep forum
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...build-1269301/

New FED, Drag Racing Forum (I am an Administrator) at
http://www.frontenginedragsters.org/forum/index.php
GlennLever is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-25-2012, 03:24 PM   #21
diddy2003
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Holyoke, Massachusetts
Posts: 676
Any cliff notes? What steering box did you choose that you had to replace that many times? That sounds expensive!!

I did end up buying the bracket and the brace. I was hoping to order the steering box tomorrow. I was just going to go with the H1 box. I will post up how it goes. I really hope it doesn't end up with me having to replace it three times just to get one that works correctly . . . .
diddy2003 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-25-2012, 04:05 PM   #22
GlennLever
Web Wheeler
 
GlennLever's Avatar
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Rochester, New York
Posts: 2,013
Quote:
Originally Posted by diddy2003 View Post
Any cliff notes? What steering box did you choose that you had to replace that many times? That sounds expensive!!

I did end up buying the bracket and the brace. I was hoping to order the steering box tomorrow. I was just going to go with the H1 box. I will post up how it goes. I really hope it doesn't end up with me having to replace it three times just to get one that works correctly . . . .
I guess from my experience you do not have to order an expensive box as you are not garenteed you wil get a good working box. Mine was a Crown item which Crown reboxed from AGR (it was a direct rebox, the AGR box was inside of Crowns box). The third one appears to be working fine, I have 500 miles on the Jeep now and no leaks.
__________________
Glenn R. Lever
Rochester, New York 14617-2012
My Cars http://www.leverfamilysite.com/vehicles.htm

My restoration thread here on the Jeep forum
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...build-1269301/

New FED, Drag Racing Forum (I am an Administrator) at
http://www.frontenginedragsters.org/forum/index.php
GlennLever is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-25-2012, 05:27 PM   #23
diddy2003
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Holyoke, Massachusetts
Posts: 676
So yours is a jeep CJ specific power steering box? How much was it and where did you get it? Thanks.
diddy2003 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-25-2012, 09:36 PM   #24
GlennLever
Web Wheeler
 
GlennLever's Avatar
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Rochester, New York
Posts: 2,013
Quote:
Originally Posted by diddy2003 View Post
So yours is a jeep CJ specific power steering box? How much was it and where did you get it? Thanks.
Steering Gear Assembly w/ Power Steering
1980-1986 Jeep CJ5, CJ7, CJ8 Scrambler
Part # 5363231

$464.99

http://www.jeep4x4center.com/steerin...g-5363231.html

Morris 4X4 Center

Not sure I would do it again, remember it took three to get one that worked and It was a struggle to get them to replace it. They were very willing to refund the money, but did not want to send a third replacement and warrantee it.

I actually used this forum to get them to send the third one. I stated that there was a build thread here and that I would post that they would not stand behind their product in the thread.

This is the e-mail I got back from them

Hi Glenn,
We spoke yesterday about a replacement of part # 5363231. We are sending out another at no charge. We will need the warranty part back to be sent back to the manufacturer as well. We at Morris try to have the best customer service. I do not believe there will be any issues with this replacement. If there is we will cross that bridge when we come to it. At that point we will need to contact the manufacturer to see what is happening with these parts and go from there. Have a nice day.

I am totally amazed at the overall generally poor level of customer support for the Jeep aftermarket. I have built several muscle cars and that aftermarket to this one is night and day. There just is not enough completion for the customer dollar here.
5363231_4254.jpg  
__________________
Glenn R. Lever
Rochester, New York 14617-2012
My Cars http://www.leverfamilysite.com/vehicles.htm

My restoration thread here on the Jeep forum
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...build-1269301/

New FED, Drag Racing Forum (I am an Administrator) at
http://www.frontenginedragsters.org/forum/index.php
GlennLever is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 06-28-2012, 06:00 PM   #25
diddy2003
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Holyoke, Massachusetts
Posts: 676
Thanks for the reply. I just saw it. That is a lot of money for a re-built steering box. That is actually cheaper than what they are listed for on quadratec. It really sucks that you had to go through all that after spending that kind of money.

I just dropped my Jeep off to have the new steering box installed. The H1 steering box cost 225 without the core refund. I am choosing to keep my old one. It would have been 200 bucks, so for 25 I figured I would just keep it as a spare. I dropped it off with the bracket and the brace. I hope everything works. I just don't have any time to mess with it before taking off for NH for a 3 day wheeling trip. I am crossing my fingers that everything works out . . . . Installing something from a Hummer H1 on to my Jeep CJ, and expecting it to just mount up and work, is also causing for some increased stress . . . .
diddy2003 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-01-2012, 07:32 AM   #26
diddy2003
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Holyoke, Massachusetts
Posts: 676
Update:


So the H1 Hummer steering box is now mounted along with the MORE HD bracket. Of course, as with anything I do with the Jeep, it did not go on without issue. Both lines on the stock steering box are now permanently attached and aren't going anywhere. I had to call up Quadratec and I have new lines coming in the mail. Should be in on Tuesday. The H1 box is much more heavy duty than the stock one, just based on looks alone. It really looks good on there. The MORE brace will be going on with the lines.





Now here was the really unexpected part. I had been feeling something weird going on in the front end when I was driving, and there was even like a clunk at times, and I just figured that the steering was the issue. I was wrong. One of the frame brackets, that holds the shackle to the frame, cracked right in half. I couldn't really get a picture of the crack when the Jeep was off the lift, but it was pretty bad. Just one of those things that could have been pretty bad if it wasn't discovered. If I didn't have the steering box issues, and the jeep was never put on a lift, I don't know if I would have seen the issue until I was out in the woods . . . .

Here was the bracket that cracked.


Here is was I ordered to replace the stock brackets. I ordered a complete set for the front and the rear of the jeep. I hope I can re-use the stock bolts because I forgot to order new ones . . . . .

http://www.quadratec.com/products/92000_101.htm



Much more heavy duty than what the stock ones look like:
diddy2003 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-01-2012, 07:52 AM   #27
brownbagg
Registered User
1930 MK Compass 
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: pearl, la
Posts: 2,458
you can buy them all day long $25 to $50 at pick and pull. the cj box is just the standard saginaw box that is on every gm car and truck. no matter what everybody tell you, there is no differents. jeep has been know to use the weaker part so a gm truck would be a stronger box
brownbagg is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-01-2012, 08:51 AM   #28
VACJ7
Hockey Rules!
 
VACJ7's Avatar
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 3,781
Quote:
Originally Posted by diddy2003 View Post
Is this mounted correctly? I know the OEM bracket sandwiches the hanger between the mount and frame. Something about this does not look right.
__________________
'84 CJ-7 | REBUILD IN PROGRESS
VACJ7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-01-2012, 11:36 AM   #29
diddy2003
Registered User
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Holyoke, Massachusetts
Posts: 676
I hear what you are saying about it looking funny, and I thought the same thing when I checked it out, but I really don't see how it could be mounted any other way. Here is the M.O.R.E picture of it installed, without the springs installed though:


It looks to be mounted exactly like mine, meaning it is flush with the frame. I don't see how the shackle hanger bracket could be installed to it any other way. It does look a little weird though.
diddy2003 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-01-2012, 11:47 AM   #30
GlennLever
Web Wheeler
 
GlennLever's Avatar
1984 CJ7 
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Rochester, New York
Posts: 2,013
I would at least make a spacer the thickness of the grear box bracket to go under the spring shackle.

Something like this (my spacer is under the stock gear box braket, your spacer would be under the shackle braket)

__________________
Glenn R. Lever
Rochester, New York 14617-2012
My Cars http://www.leverfamilysite.com/vehicles.htm

My restoration thread here on the Jeep forum
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f8/cj...build-1269301/

New FED, Drag Racing Forum (I am an Administrator) at
http://www.frontenginedragsters.org/forum/index.php
GlennLever is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cj7 , steering , steering box
Thread Tools


Suggested Threads





Jeep, Wrangler, Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, and other models are copyrighted and trademarked to Jeep/Chrysler Corporation. JeepForum.com is not in any way associated with Jeep or the Chrysler Corp.