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Trailrated?

Hi,

Future first-time jeep owner here :-)

I'm thinking of buying the Renegade since it seems like exactly the kind of car I would like to own - being able to go both off road for adventures and on road for daily life. However, I'm not sure whether or not to pay the extra money for the trailrated Trailhawk...

How much 'extra' off road capability does it add compared to the other Renegade models? My fear (if you can call it that) is to buy a Jeep and find it more to be a city-Jeep...

Any Renegade owners here with an opinion on this?

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Hi, Future first-time jeep owner here :-) I'm thinking of buying the Renegade since it seems like exactly the kind of car I would like to own - being able to go both off road for adventures and on road for daily life. However, I'm not sure whether or not to pay the extra money for the trailrated Trailhawk... How much 'extra' off road capability does it add compared to the other Renegade models? My fear (if you can call it that) is to buy a Jeep and find it more to be a city-Jeep... Any Renegade owners here with an opinion on this?
Working at a dealer, I would personally buy the trailhawk version no matter what just because IMO it looks better and more aggressive. It has different front and rear bumper fascias that are not as low as all the other trim levels and look more aggressive. Plus I like the the tow hooks and cosmetic aspects. Another thing that's nice specific to the trailhawk trim is you get lockers in the front and rear...ultimately it's up to you but you get a little more with the Renegade Trailhawk
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From what i have read there are NO lockers in the Difs. Just the Tcase can be set to 50/50 or like the Part time 4x4s,. It uses traction control as what i call the poor mans lockers. That fails when the one wheels off the ground and the other is faces a ledge/boulder.

But real dif lockers like E-lockers or ARB, nope. I do not even see any after market option, though i did not search to long. No clue what difs they tossed in these but i would say it is not a D30/d44 or better .

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From what i have read there are NO lockers in the Difs. Just the Tcase can be set to 50/50 or like the Part time 4x4s,. It uses traction control as what i call the poor mans lockers. That fails when the one wheels off the ground and the other is faces a ledge/boulder. But real dif lockers like E-lockers or ARB, nope. I do not even see any after market option, though i did not search to long. No clue what difs they tossed in these but i would say it is not a D30/d44 or better .
I'm sorry, you're correct. I meant to say 4 LOW, when I was typing this I was thinking of the Cherokee trailhawk's 4WD dial...the regular renegade doesn't have 4 LOW just 4WD lock.
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Honestly, if I were thinking about getting a Renegade, I would only get a Trailhawk, even if the most offroading I planned on doing was dirt roads. I just don't like the look of the non-Trailhawk ones. Same with the new Cherokees.
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The skid plates alone would be enough for me to get the TH if I was going to do anything off pavement.

Not a lot of clearance to work with, and assuming they are anything like the skid plates on the KL, they work well.

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The skid plates alone would be enough for me to get the TH if I was going to do anything off pavement.
I'm not a big fan of the ZF 9sp, or the Tigershark for that matter. So I was considering if I should get a Sport then swap in the factory springs/shocks and the skid plates from Trailhawk. The total drive ratio is a bit worse, but may be enough with C635. With optional final drive 4.438 it comes out to 1:18.435.
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I'm sure you could. Though I'd be afraid of the total cost.

I have the ZF 9sp in my KL. I haven't had any problems with it.

Also, I may be wrong, but if you get a Sport, you wouldn't get low range. Assuming that's something you would ever use.

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having owned a trail rated patriot, I would say get the trailhawk if you ever plan on taking off road. Period.

yes you can add skid plates, tow hooks, and the like to other flavors, but there is a lot of cost and work in that. but you'll miss out on the other things that come with the trail hawk. The FDII patriot's came with a huge MPG penalty for the trail rated option, but the renegade trailhawks do not. Plus, if you take a sport and add just a couple of options, you're within shouting distance of a trailhawk, and the trailhawk will hold its value better than a sport. so its money better invested.

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Also, I may be wrong, but if you get a Sport, you wouldn't get low range. Assuming that's something you would ever use.
Unlike KL, BU does not have the PTU. So, the "crawl" on Trailhawk is made by using the lowest gear in the 9sp, and that's it. The overall setup is similar to MK in that way.

What's curious, unlike most common CUVs, the BU does have a space to mount the PTU between the main diff and the transmission, but in that place there's just a housing with a shaft. Either it was deleted late in the design, or the other world markets get it, or FIAT did it on purpose, to make sure that the engine-transmission interface can extend past the centerline of the car. The FIAT 500X has exactly the same drivetrain, BTW.
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