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Unread 04-14-2012, 04:50 PM   #46
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30 minutes in this thread, browsing the links presented in this thread, and thinking about some of the questions =



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Unread 04-14-2012, 05:20 PM   #47
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My boss and I were bored at one point and decided to do some comparisons.

Hmm.... don't really know how I missed that the first time 'round.
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Unread 04-14-2012, 07:19 PM   #48
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i offten wondered the same thing about space,that and should the jelly be spread on the bread first or the peanut butter?
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Unread 04-14-2012, 08:20 PM   #49
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Yeah that's something I didn't really think about. Good input! Kinda seems like the further technology advances, we get smarter, yet dumber at the same time.
I constantly hear about how "kids these days are smarter - look at all of the technology they can work with!"

Bogus for a couple of reasons:

1) Technology is being used to replace brainpower. I took maths courses in college a couple of years ago (as a refresher,) and I had graduated high school before pretty much everyone else except the teacher was born. A calculator was listed as highly recommended for the course - a TI-89, in fact. (I finally did get one.)

I couldn't spring $100 for the calculator before class started, so I printed a set of trig tables and dusted off my slide rule, and took those instead.

I was faster with the slide rule and paper tables than the kids were with their calculators - I did between half and 2/3 of the work in my melon, and my batteries never went flat during a test. Go figure.

There were two people in the class who could even recognise was I was doing - and the other one was the instructor (who still had his slide rule. It was nicer than mine - but that's because he was a maths major.)

Bear in mind that this was a trig class - which should only be offered to "re-entering students," and not recent high school graduates. I went all the way up to intro to calculus in high school - that was just twenty years before taking the trig course in college...

2) I honestly don't think kids are smarter because they're using tech at an earlier age, I think they're merely more adaptable. Take away the tech, and they're NF/AFU/TU - call it what you wish. Calculators are even either recommended or required for high school maths - nevermind that the coursework is actually lighter than what I took all those years ago, and nevermind that when I was in high school, merely having a calculator with you in maths class was grounds for a failing grade (since I always had maths in between science classes, I had to stop by my locker and drop off the calculator so I wouldn't get flunked.) The verbiage was specific to electronic calculators - slide rules and abaci were still allowed (and I got good with both. Just because you can do the work with your melon doesn't mean you shouldn't verify it once in a while.)

I can do the work without a calculator - it just takes me a little longer. Most of these kids can't even solve a simple right triangle without a graphic calculator - and that's just sad.

I've nothing whatever against technology, but technology should augment brain power, not replace it.

And, adaptability does not equate to functional intelligence - I'd happily stack my "old" high school diploma up against any four-year non-technical degree any day of the week.

("Non-technical?" Yeah. College should not offer non-specialised educational programmes. A four-year GE degree can almost keep pace with a HS diploma from 20 years ago. A four-year LA degree is pointless. The idea of going to college is to obtain specialty or technical knowledge that is too advanced for primary education - that's why it's called "secondary education." College should essentially be for either technical/advanced trade education, or lay the academic groundwork for University education - going into Master's degree programmes [or higher,] MD, DO, DDS, JD, PhD, or other higher levels of education.)
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i offten wondered the same thing about space,that and should the jelly be spread on the bread first or the peanut butter?
PB on one slice, Jelly on the other, mash them together.

Or, skip the jelly and grill the sammich - even better!
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All good input. Glad to know I'm not alone.
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Just came across this:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...illion-earths/
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Unread 04-15-2012, 09:52 AM   #53
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Think I'll just take the Jeep for a spin..... It's a good cure for thinking too much on a Sunday afternoon. Maybe take the horse for a ride too...
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Unread 07-27-2012, 10:30 PM   #54
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Nearly four months later and these thoughts are getting more frequent. Wondering if there is something wrong with me. Often times when I'm driving or sitting alone I get smashed with this feeling of "being small", and it really gets me upset. My brain goes into a frenzy trying to comprehend "space beyond space". Grr.
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Unread 07-27-2012, 10:41 PM   #55
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beginning physics & calculus should be high school classes.
They are here, We are required to take Physics I, Physics II and III are optional. We have Pre-Cal that is open to everyone, calculus is an AP class.
We had a kid that got accepted to MIT just last year.

Now, go a town over, and they cant even spell physics.
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Unread 07-28-2012, 02:53 AM   #58
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Space I can sort of get my head around, it's just big, insanely vast.

But through in stuff like m-theory with infinite dimensions passing through each other and I throw in the towel.

I love the time we are in now, although I'm a little envious of the feeling of progression that must have existed in the 60's. But just imagine how awesome life could be for future generations, massively increased life spans, reduced threat of life threatening illnesses, space travel to places to beautiful and abstract we'd struggle to dream them up now.

Regarding brain power I believe the issue is the frontal lobe, the brain is all there to use, and does some incredible stuff on a day to day basis, however the frontal lobe is a bottle neck. Basically you operate the subconscious (brain) with the conscious (frontal lobe) but our conscious has very limited capacity. This is why our most impressive thinking, and performing, tends to come naturally or seemingly out of the blue (like when you are sat driving a car and your conscious is occupied with driving and you start thinking deeply) . I try do a lot of passive thinking training myself, making an effort to put difficult or creative tasks to the back of my mind and wait to see what my subconscious comes back with. It's almost like putting in a support ticket with your brain and waiting for it to get back to you. A lot of us do this naturally, like when we go and busy ourself with a mindless task to clear our head or the old 'stop thinking about it and it will come to you' advise we give when someone can't remember a name.
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Getting back to the original topic, I know exactly how you feel. I don't get depressed by it, but I often make my head hurt trying to think about it. The one that really gets me is trying to imagine what's past the edge of space. Since infinity isn't comprehendable, as was already pointed out, I naturally try to put some outer limit or boundary on space. To be honest, that comes from reading a ton of articles on the multiverse theory, in which they're saying that it's possible that the universe is really a series of ever expanding unverses being created one inside another. But the confusing part there is that if that were the case, and our universe is housed inside multiple other universes, and in turn houses more universes, then there is some boundary line to keep the universes apart. Which, by that line of thinking, means the universe isn't boundless. Following that track, then, you start wondering "when did universe 1 pop out?", "What was there before universe 1?" And then you think of what are the universes housed in? If they are ever expanding, what medium are they expanding within? There always has to be something outside of the walls (to my mind at least), but that means that we're back to the thought of endless, which is gonna make my head go kablooie.


I'm not a religious person, but there are certain things that make me think there could be a higher power somewhere. Learning about the human body alone and all of it's intricacies that make us work like we do, I have trouble seeing how evolution brought us from a pool of microbes to what we are today. But at the same time, I cannot define this higher power that may or may not exist. How could something exist before the universe? In what realm did he/she/it exist then? How can something have the power to say "make it so!" and create EVERYTHING int he blink of an eye (or 6 days if you're a traditionalist). Obviously the power isn't some dude in a robe and sandals floating in space. But the only existence we know of is a corporeal existence, and imagining something existing in a state of pure enrgy, for example, is impossible for me to do. Where do the thoughts form if there is no brain? So I'm left with a conundrum; life seems too complex to have happened by pure chance and happenstance. Yet I don't believe in and cannot comprehend a higher power that could make something from nothing.
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Getting back to the original topic, I know exactly how you feel. I don't get depressed by it, but I often make my head hurt trying to think about it. The one that really gets me is trying to imagine what's past the edge of space. Since infinity isn't comprehendable, as was already pointed out, I naturally try to put some outer limit or boundary on space. To be honest, that comes from reading a ton of articles on the multiverse theory, in which they're saying that it's possible that the universe is really a series of ever expanding unverses being created one inside another. But the confusing part there is that if that were the case, and our universe is housed inside multiple other universes, and in turn houses more universes, then there is some boundary line to keep the universes apart. Which, by that line of thinking, means the universe isn't boundless. Following that track, then, you start wondering "when did universe 1 pop out?", "What was there before universe 1?" And then you think of what are the universes housed in? If they are ever expanding, what medium are they expanding within? There always has to be something outside of the walls (to my mind at least), but that means that we're back to the thought of endless, which is gonna make my head go kablooie.


I'm not a religious person, but there are certain things that make me think there could be a higher power somewhere. Learning about the human body alone and all of it's intricacies that make us work like we do, I have trouble seeing how evolution brought us from a pool of microbes to what we are today. But at the same time, I cannot define this higher power that may or may not exist. How could something exist before the universe? In what realm did he/she/it exist then? How can something have the power to say "make it so!" and create EVERYTHING int he blink of an eye (or 6 days if you're a traditionalist). Obviously the power isn't some dude in a robe and sandals floating in space. But the only existence we know of is a corporeal existence, and imagining something existing in a state of pure enrgy, for example, is impossible for me to do. Where do the thoughts form if there is no brain? So I'm left with a conundrum; life seems too complex to have happened by pure chance and happenstance. Yet I don't believe in and cannot comprehend a higher power that could make something from nothing.
This is where it really makes my brain implode.
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