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Marconis 04-11-2012 11:45 PM

"Where did space come from?"
 
Every so often, I'll spend about a half hour to an hour reading about stars, planets, and space in general. I find it fascinating, and there is a ton of information out there to read on the subject. However, when I close everything up and lay down in bed, I get hit with that huge wave, "What created space?". I'm talking the creation of matter, pre-big bang and pre-whatever god may have done it...I'm talking the blackness of space, the emptiness, the sandbox from which matter would ultimately evolve. Through readings, I have noticed that many consider this a rather elementary question to ask, one that should be avoided in discussions of space and completely rid of from the mind. Despite this, one really can't help but wonder sometimes, what the hell started it all. Does this ever happen to anyone else? It takes me a good thirty or so minutes to get the thought out of my mind, or else I will start to slip into a slight panic and develop anxiety at not knowing what started it all.

*Not looking for an answer to the question What created space?*

Swagger_Wagon 04-11-2012 11:49 PM

IB4PRC


But it was definitely the Russians.

Marconis 04-11-2012 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Swagger_Wagon (Post 13398166)
IB4PRC


But it was definitely the Russians.

I don't want to bring any debates or anything to this thread, I am simply curious as to whether or not others often get inundated with the feeling, no matter how undesirable.

Swagger_Wagon 04-11-2012 11:54 PM

I agree with you, but religion WILL inevitably be brought up in the discussion. And I never think about. My roommate even has a 700$ telescope that looks like a ****ing 5 foot cannon barrel that we use all the time.

To me, it's just there. It looks super cool, and there are definitely aliens. I never think any more about it.


Also, being able to see the rings of Saturn through that 700$ telescope is super awesome.

Marconis 04-11-2012 11:56 PM

Damn, that's awesome. It must be a spectacular sight, no doubt. I've never looked through a telescope...sad, right? I definitely need to do that soon. I try not to think about it, but no matter what, I sometimes get struck with a wave like...****...

Mickey_D 04-11-2012 11:57 PM

My boss and I were bored at one point and decided to do some comparisons.

If you shrink the sun down to the size of a basketball, the earth would be 1/8" in diameter and be 123 feet from the basketball. Pluto would be over 800 feet away from the basketball and be almost undetectable with the naked eye.

Kind of puts things in perspective, doesn't it? :tea:

PlaneJob 04-12-2012 12:03 AM

There is a park just south of Houston, TX that has the Sun at the entrance to a building, then as you walk down the sidewalk you come across most of the features of our solar system. It's basically what Mickey D is talking about but it is done in the sidewalk and is way huge.

I think it is at the George Observatory. that sounds right.

Xpress 04-12-2012 12:25 AM

Basically, we just don't know for fact. We can only theorize about it, it's just there. Enjoy it while it lasts :cheers:

Billy 04-12-2012 12:41 AM

learned a lot watching this:

http://www.redorbit.com/media/upload...c1fea69fff.jpg

5-90 04-12-2012 01:04 AM

Space wasn't necessarily created, it was extracted from between the ears of politicians.

I've been pondering the imponderables for more years than I care to count. Might I suggest reading Hyperspace by Michio Kaku? It goes a good job of explaining higher-dimensional reality in terms readily accessible to the layman (cosmology is a nasty field of mathematics...)

Xpress 04-12-2012 01:09 AM

There''s always this.


:rofl:

jnicewan 04-12-2012 01:38 AM

I think Al Gore created space but not 100% sure.

Everyday the universe gets bigger and what is beyond that nobody knows, its not only expanding, its accelerating too. We can only see what has beamed light back to us. and the distance is pratically unimaginable. Light travels about 186,000 miles per second ( thats over 11 million miles per hour). The far galaxies we are looking at now are around 14 billion light years away (there's roughly 6 trillion miles in 1 light year ) We definitely are not see anything "live" or even close to that out there.

Polaris, the big northern star is about 300 light years away, the light you see from it today was cast 300 years ago, if it exploded today we would not know about it for another 300 years. A star this close to earth is basically in our backyard compared to the rest of the universe.

PhilipJ 04-12-2012 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Marconis (Post 13398158)
I'm talking the blackness of space, the emptiness, the sandbox from which matter would ultimately evolve.

There's five times more matter in that black emptiness than there is in all of the stars and planets in the universe combined. ;)

Basically, the universe has zero total energy, so it's not implausible that it was created from 'nothing'. Nature is full of symmetry like that. What always gets me is why physics have the specific properties and laws that they do.

jnicewan 04-12-2012 01:55 AM

Dark energy? Dark matter?

WindsorRenegade 04-12-2012 02:00 AM

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Polaris, the big northern star is about 300 light years away, the light you see from it today was cast 300 years ago, if it exploded today we would not know about it for another 300 years. A star this close to earth is basically in our backyard compared to the rest of the universe.

That's one of the cooler things I've always thought about space.

You're technically looking back in time. Even the light from Alpha-Centuri, a miniscule 4 light years away, is 4 years old before it hits your eyeballs.
If it exploded right now, we wouldn't know about it for 4 years.



I remember seeing Saturns rings thru my like, $150 telescope. Pretty frickin cool, but man does stuff in space move fast! Well.....the Earth spinning doesn't help. Taking a good long look at the Moon thru a telescope is pretty cool too.


OR, think about this as far as size/distance is concerned.

Betelgeuse, a red supergiant is 936 times larger then the Sun! If we replaced the Sun with it, that would put it's surface somwhere between Mars and Jupiter! It's not even the biggest thing out there either.


Look at this ****!

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