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Unread 07-06-2013, 06:43 PM   #1
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Whats Going on With Nascar?

Every race, I see a ton of empty seats in the stands. Is it the economy? Ticket prices too high? Do peole think it sucks that bad? How on earth do they continue to pay the drivers and crewmembers as much as they do with attendance like this??

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Unread 07-07-2013, 12:07 AM   #2
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Go price Tickets ! I have not been able to afford decent seats for the past few years so I just watch on TV now

I've been to Speedweek and the Daytona 500 , Plenty of Dover races, and Texas Motor Speedway races. I want to goto a race in Vegas but I can not afford Hotel, Tickets, Food ect ........
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Unread 07-07-2013, 10:36 AM   #3
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There are very few tracks that come close to selling out. They already have dropped the price a ton (check historical prices). I also used to go a lot more but don't anymore due to economy. However they do have budget seats at most tracks but some do still sellout or close. But they are rarer now-a-days.
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Unread 07-07-2013, 12:21 PM   #4
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How on earth do they continue to pay the drivers and crewmembers as much as they do with attendance like this??
Ticket revenue has nothing to do with race team revenue. Race teams pay an entry fee for each car to race. Ticket sales benefit the track and IMHO the prices are much to expensive.
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Don't worry, the geniuses at Nascar have a solution; remove a bunch of the cheap seating.
For example, Daytona is going from 146,000 seats to 101,000. About a dozen other tracks are also considering downsizing.
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Maybe people are finally starting to realize that they've just been watching cars make left turns this whole time.
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Maybe people are finally starting to realize that they've just been watching cars make left turns this whole time.
I'm still waiting for F1, rally cross, and races like the TT to become more popular here in America.
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There is alot more to it than just ticket prices. I'm an old school fan but I don't watch it much now. I don't like the COT, 1 body for all makes just doesn't make it interesting anymore. I miss the old days of Rusty Wallace complaining about the Chevys, or Dale Sr. griping about the Fords. I don't like that the drivers can't speak their minds without getting a fine/penalty. The France familys changing rules whenever a popular driver gets in trouble.
Too many races on the schedule as well. The chase hasn't worked out as well as they hoped too. Ect.......
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maybe if they changed the rules it would be more entertaining , as of now i cant tell the difference between the cars

what are the differences btw ? , dist location and firing order ? seem pretty lame because they are all so similar

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Maybe people are finally starting to realize that they've just been watching cars make left turns this whole time.
This lol, they gave up waiting for a right turn.
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Unread 07-09-2013, 01:21 PM   #11
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I've been a Nascar fan since the 80's but can still only speculate about things like this.

Economy - It definitely took it's toll. I don't have numbers but the turn around was very extreme between the 2008 and 2009 seasons when the economy went south. It was plainly obvious looking at the seats on TV.

Product - Frankly it's pretty lame. Points racing, follow the leader, 500 mile races with only 100 miles of actual racing, no more good ol boys, the playoffs(i.e. chase), cars all the same (no brand identification) etc etc. Now some of these are new, some have always been there but either way there is more of this crap than there used to be. Not helping draw in new fans as older ones naturally move on to other interest. IMO, Nascar made some bad choices including trying to make stock car racing something for the masses (Everyone remember the Canada and Mexico races they've been trying to shove down our throats?). The masses aren't coming and the rednecks are leaving.

Personally I'd rather watch the trucks race. They take some handling out of it, add some bangin, shorten the race so there isn't so much follow the leader, etc, etc.

I had a brain storm a year or two ago the coincided with the all star race. They need to take some of the cookie cutter mile and 1/2 tracks and get back to the roots on some of em. Go back to heat races, B mains, A mains, etc. Toss qualifying out the window. Not all races but a handful or two. Sure it will tear up more equipment because the amount of racing would quadruple and the owners would hate it. That is until those races became the most watch events on TV and fans actually came back. Then they'll love it.
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There is alot more to it than just ticket prices. I'm an old school fan but I don't watch it much now. I don't like the COT, 1 body for all makes just doesn't make it interesting anymore. I miss the old days of Rusty Wallace complaining about the Chevys, or Dale Sr. griping about the Fords. I don't like that the drivers can't speak their minds without getting a fine/penalty. The France familys changing rules whenever a popular driver gets in trouble.
Too many races on the schedule as well. The chase hasn't worked out as well as they hoped too. Ect.......
This is what happens when you stop watching. The CoT has been gone. So has the loss of car identity... Well more on that in a minute.

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I've been a Nascar fan since the 80's but can still only speculate about things like this.

Economy - It definitely took it's toll. I don't have numbers but the turn around was very extreme between the 2008 and 2009 seasons when the economy went south. It was plainly obvious looking at the seats on TV.

Product - Frankly it's pretty lame. Points racing, follow the leader, 500 mile races with only 100 miles of actual racing, no more good ol boys, the playoffs(i.e. chase), cars all the same (no brand identification) etc etc. Now some of these are new, some have always been there but either way there is more of this crap than there used to be. Not helping draw in new fans as older ones naturally move on to other interest. IMO, Nascar made some bad choices including trying to make stock car racing something for the masses (Everyone remember the Canada and Mexico races they've been trying to shove down our throats?). The masses aren't coming and the rednecks are leaving.

Personally I'd rather watch the trucks race. They take some handling out of it, add some bangin, shorten the race so there isn't so much follow the leader, etc, etc.

I had a brain storm a year or two ago the coincided with the all star race. They need to take some of the cookie cutter mile and 1/2 tracks and get back to the roots on some of em. Go back to heat races, B mains, A mains, etc. Toss qualifying out the window. Not all races but a handful or two. Sure it will tear up more equipment because the amount of racing would quadruple and the owners would hate it. That is until those races became the most watch events on TV and fans actually came back. Then they'll love it.
Well 'have at it boys' is back.. has been for two seasons. There have been serious fights, on and off the track, battles and rivalries, etc. Old-school war is back. Even good-old-boys like Gordon got into the middle of it.

Cars have definite brand identification now. Even the Fords have an actual grill (that keeps coming off the first few races, caused a few issues). But the cookie-cutter car is no more. Nore is the matching bumpers and train-drafting. Bump someone and you will lift their rear. Daytona/Talladega have been quite interesting when drivers forget not to lock up.

I agree the 'chase is crap. Needs to go away. So do the auto-lockin spots and manufacturer's spots. Qualify or don't race, period. OR I agree, heats again like the small tracks. Hell ya!

Still the CoT was crap. Bad idea. They ditched it. Kudos. So were the handcuffed rules for everything. Now they go at it. As long as they don't endanger someone (driver, spectator, etc.) they pretty much get free run. Almost scary actually. Ironically, drivers I didn't like before have matured and are being very nice now and some other mature drivers are losing their minds at times... Quite interesting.

Drivers are speaking their minds as long as they don't diss the sport itself somehow. But they are talking a lot of smack about each other and manufacturers. It's interesting all over again.
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I'm still waiting for F1...to become more popular here in America.
NJ 2014 if we're lucky. I'm stoked about Austin, all the drivers love the track b/c it has elevation changes. But the pinnacle of motorsports demands the pinnacle of ticket prices *sigh*.
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Believe me when I tell you, NASCAR team are NOT hurting for money. Sponsors are throwing just tons and tons at them for the visibility. The ticket prices are pretty high, but just do what I do....

Get hot pit passes for the Brickyard...

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Unread 07-09-2013, 02:54 PM   #15
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Yeah I've driven by quite a few of the nascar shops in Mooresville where I live now. They aren't anywhere close to hurting for money.
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