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Unread 10-02-2005, 01:28 PM   #46
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I would say that there exists no "external" or "real" right and wrong that applies fro everyone. If I remember, and it was either Locke, Hume or Rousseau, was it not the case that man religuishes the power to government for the protection and enforcement of agreed upon rights? A social contract on what is right and wrong?

Otherwise, right and wrong is only relative to the self.

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Unread 10-02-2005, 03:39 PM   #47
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Unread 10-02-2005, 04:46 PM   #48
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Ahh you bring up a good point williams. Do humans have genetically programmed sense of "right and wrong"?

I believe there are some very good examples that would say YES.

One such example would be incest. Its is practically universally taboo. There is even empricial evidence that points the the oflactory senses as possible mechanism for the disgust one usually experiences when the thought arises.
Of course, that could also be simply a matter of natural selection: those cultures that practiced incest quickly died out through the assorted genetic problems such activity causes. Who knows? Basically the chicken and the egg argument revisited.
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Unread 10-02-2005, 05:23 PM   #49
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Unread 10-02-2005, 05:53 PM   #50
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I could use deadly force on someone who:

1) Threatened me with deadly force,
2) Threatened an innocent third party with deadly force.

No question. I'm also a certified firearms instructor (Law Enforcement) and have relatively high confidence in my effectiveness if I were to make that decision.

Property crime...take it, I'm insured. (I may kick your *** if I catch you, though)
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Unread 10-02-2005, 06:28 PM   #51
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Property crime...take it, I'm insured. (I may kick your *** if I catch you, though)
Isn't that assault?
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Unread 10-02-2005, 07:10 PM   #52
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Isn't that assault?
Yep...Physical force (in NY) is justified in defense of property. Having experience in filling out depositions and using the right phrasing is also *very* important.
Know the law in your jurisdiction and be able to articulate that you followed it.
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Unread 10-02-2005, 09:02 PM   #53
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I agree with the chance of getting away with it. I had an argument the other day with someone about this. If I had the chance, I'd take out a lot of people. I was pissed the other day when some f-er took a bunch of crap out of my Jeep. If it were legal and I had a gun, I'd shoot the bastard. Not necessarily to kill, even though I'd like to, but definately to mame. My friend told me I was crazy. He said that I was asking for it by leaving the jeep doorless/topless in the city. IMO, it doesnt f-en matter. If I left my front door open to my house, that means people should be able to come in without and reprecussions(sp?). I would love to sit in my bedroom window and pick up f-ers that go in my jeep. There are plenty of people that do ***** because they know no one can really do anything(legally).
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Unread 10-02-2005, 09:49 PM   #54
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They'd have to deserve it, and I'd have to be able to get away with it. Anything else is just a bonus.
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Unread 10-07-2005, 01:44 PM   #55
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all i have to know is whether or not i like you, if i don't like you, i could kill you without any hesitation....also i'm not afraid of going to prision, about 5 years ago i almost died in a car accident, and now i am simply waiting i am no longer afraid to die therefore if i were about to be captured and sent to prision, i would take my own life and be happy with it knowing that i took the soul of another before i died.
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Unread 10-07-2005, 01:49 PM   #56
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That was awhile back. I imagine the price has gone up.
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Unread 10-07-2005, 01:54 PM   #57
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all i have to know is whether or not i like you, if i don't like you, i could kill you without any hesitation....also i'm not afraid of going to prision, about 5 years ago i almost died in a car accident, and now i am simply waiting i am no longer afraid to die therefore if i were about to be captured and sent to prision, i would take my own life and be happy with it knowing that i took the soul of another before i died.
If you are not afraid of going to prison, why would you kill yourself before you were captured?
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Unread 10-07-2005, 02:00 PM   #58
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all i have to know is whether or not i like you, if i don't like you, i could kill you without any hesitation....also i'm not afraid of going to prision, about 5 years ago i almost died in a car accident, and now i am simply waiting i am no longer afraid to die therefore if i were about to be captured and sent to prision, i would take my own life and be happy with it knowing that i took the soul of another before i died.
Do you work inside or outside at the Post Office??
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Unread 10-07-2005, 02:14 PM   #59
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Dunno...some of them environmentalists are seriously screwed in the head. Most hunters I know aren't in it for "the kill" as much as they are for the meat. I mean, if they spend a day in the woods and carry nothing out but their gun, they're still pretty content with the experience of getting away from it all and having a relaxing day.

I agree with this.

Some enviromentalists are more dangerous than hunders these days.

I hunt for the shear enjoyment of getting into the woods and enjoying nature. But I do carry a sidearm now especially during bow season for personal protection.

Although some people assume taking down an animal is easy, it's not. To take down a deer for example is a roller coaster ride for me. First heart pouding excite as I make the decision, then the joy of good shot, then sadness when you watch the animal thrash and eventually die, then joy again as the rack sits on my wall.

Most hunters are not heartless killers.

As for taking a human life, if someone broke into my house they would be dead; no two ways about it.
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I agree with this.

Some enviromentalists are more dangerous than hunders these days.

I hunt for the shear enjoyment of getting into the woods and enjoying nature. But I do carry a sidearm now especially during bow season for personal protection.

Although some people assume taking down an animal is easy, it's not. To take down a deer for example is a roller coaster ride for me. First heart pouding excite as I make the decision, then the joy of good shot, then sadness when you watch the animal thrash and eventually die, then joy again as the rack sits on my wall.

Most hunters are not heartless killers.

As for taking a human life, if someone broke into my house they would be dead; no two ways about it.
And then there is hanging his head on the wall... I'd put an apple in his mouth.
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