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Unread 09-30-2005, 10:12 PM   #1
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What would it take for you to kill someone?

Just as the title states.

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A decently good chance of getting away with it.
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seriously what would it take?
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Just as the title states.
Him or me, him or a different innocent party. I'll leave out the "protection of property" that the law around here allows; one well-placed round in the back of the knee and he can't tote my TV off anymore.
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seriously what would it take?
I WAS being serious. The only thing that keeps me from killing a few people right now is the fear of going to prison.
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I would kill someone without blinking an eye if some pervert touched my daughters.
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I WAS being serious. The only thing that keeps me from killing a few people right now is the fear of going to prison.
This takes me back to an old argument we had in one of my old business law classes in college: is murder truly a mala in se crime, or mala prohibita? Once you rule out the Ten commandments, etc., is there ANYTHING that can be done that is inherently wrong, or is it all just a list of actions which society has prohibited over time? If it wasn't illegal, would it truly be inherently wrong, just because a certain segment of the population considers it evil? If one person doesn't consider murder evil, then isn't it simply a dictatorship of the majority over the views of the few. What does it take for a crime to be evil in and of itself?

Sorry: that's always been one question I've bounced around in my head from time to time.
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This takes me back to an old argument we had in one of my old business law classes in college: is murder truly a mala in se crime, or mala prohibita? Once you rule out the Ten commandments, etc., is there ANYTHING that can be done that is inherently wrong, or is it all just a list of actions which society has prohibited over time? If it wasn't illegal, would it truly be inherently wrong, just because a certain segment of the population considers it evil? If one person doesn't consider murder evil, then isn't it simply a dictatorship of the majority over the views of the few. What does it take for a crime to be evil in and of itself?

Sorry: that's always been one question I've bounced around in my head from time to time.
That is what serial killers think.That has always been in my head also.
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This takes me back to an old argument we had in one of my old business law classes in college: is murder truly a mala in se crime, or mala prohibita? Once you rule out the Ten commandments, etc., is there ANYTHING that can be done that is inherently wrong, or is it all just a list of actions which society has prohibited over time? If it wasn't illegal, would it truly be inherently wrong, just because a certain segment of the population considers it evil? If one person doesn't consider murder evil, then isn't it simply a dictatorship of the majority over the views of the few. What does it take for a crime to be evil in and of itself?

Sorry: that's always been one question I've bounced around in my head from time to time.

Don't get me wrong, I think murder is evil and there are lots of things that I consider inherently wrong. Doesn't mean I wouldn't do them if I could get away with it, though.
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This takes me back to an old argument we had in one of my old business law classes in college: is murder truly a mala in se crime, or mala prohibita? Once you rule out the Ten commandments, etc., is there ANYTHING that can be done that is inherently wrong, or is it all just a list of actions which society has prohibited over time? If it wasn't illegal, would it truly be inherently wrong, just because a certain segment of the population considers it evil? If one person doesn't consider murder evil, then isn't it simply a dictatorship of the majority over the views of the few. What does it take for a crime to be evil in and of itself?

Sorry: that's always been one question I've bounced around in my head from time to time.
Well, for me, a crime can be evil in itself when it hinders the forward development of humanity (in vein with Kant). One of the natural purposes of life is to ensure survival of the species, so anything that disrupts that survival is something that needs to be prevented. Murder clearly destroys the fabric of survival, so it ought to be prohibited. So, to answer your question, it is mala in se and not mala prohibita. Rape is another example of a mala in se crime.

With that being said, murder is different from self protection. I will kill a person, if need be, in order to protect my family or myself.
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Don't get me wrong, I think murder is evil and there are lots of things that I consider inherently wrong. Doesn't mean I wouldn't do them if I could get away with it, though.
Yep, I'm on the list of people who think it's evil, too: Just the Christian in me, I guess. I think I'd have to have a real, legal, valid right to use deadly force to actually do it. Self defense or defense of others.
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