So, lately when I look at Jeep's new models I feel sort of discouraged about the future of Jeep and offroading in general...it seems to me like the models are just getting cheaper and weaker. The only Jeep line that I can really see with legitimate offroad capabilities is the 2-dr wrangler. The compass is ****, patriot is cumbersome, etc....i feel similar when i look around at othe car companies
Do you think offroading is doomed in favor of fuel efficiency and low cost?
international harvester, the supposed new owner of jeep, is going to bring back the cherokee and the travelall. according to JP magazine. they will axe the commander and the patriot.
Must we revisit this again...
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You're either young or your memory is failing you. This is the 2nd most common Jeep argument I've ever heard (behind newest CJ/Wrangler model is crap compared to its predecessor). If you want to talk tradition, Jeep has a bit darker tradition of 2WD vehicles and even... gasp... IFS that go back at least to the 70's. But there has always been a suitable CJ/Wrangler for the off-roader and I don't ever see that changing.
For what it's worth, the 4-door Wrangler, Patriot, and Grand Cherokee/Commander can all be pretty serious off-roaders. It might be blasphemy to some, but I'd take any of those three on the trail before I took a Grand Wagoneer, a Honcho, or a Commando out there.
CJ guys were saying the same thing when the YJ came online. The future looked like nothing but lower, weaker, emisions choked vehicles. Who would of envisioned a Wrangler Rubicon with D44 axles, stock 33's and lockers?
BTW, January sales of Wranglers were up 4% to 6362 units.
The Compass - 819 down 69%
The Patriot - 2114 down 53%
The people have spoken.
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Originally Posted by jeep-jeep-01
And by the look of his avatar and name... not a hippie.
3.7 V6 210 horsepower at 5,200 rpm, with 235 lb-ft of torque at 4,000 rpm
4.0 I6 had 190 hp @4,600 rpm; 235 lb-ft @ 3,200 rpm
The 3.7 has better numbers but you have to wind it up to get them.
Its a 3.8 V6 that were in the minivans. Its a good engine wrong application. By good I mean the way there were placed in the minivans, you couldn't get to half the spark plugs with out pulling the engine. We had our minivan to almost 200k before selling it and never had issues with the engine. That including abusing it such as pulling a 22ft pop up trailer with 7 people ridding it, over logging roads.
The 4.0 I6 has 85% of its torque at idle. I would like to see any V6 reach those numbers.