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Unread 11-10-2012, 10:54 PM   #16
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I really want an AR. Whats a good off the shelf starter?

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...m-carbine.html

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Unread 11-11-2012, 09:57 AM   #17
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if you have 1500 to spend i would look into a ruger sr556. i have been around and shot many ar's and to me the ruger made the others feel like a toy. it is also piston driven and one hell of a rifle.
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Unread 11-11-2012, 10:30 AM   #18
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If you don't want to build one...go to Wally World. Pick up a Colt 6920 and call it a day.

The PSA one linked is gtg as well. PSA uses solid parts...

So does Spike's Tactical, Bravo Company...depends on your budget.
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Unread 11-11-2012, 01:23 PM   #19
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Complete lower-$250-300,,,this u have to do the paperwork on

Complete upper-depends on ur needs-barrel length, etc etc,,,$300 and up
Complete bolt- $100-200
Charging handle-$30


Buy a manual,
DPMS, rock river, bushmaster ,,,,
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Unread 11-11-2012, 01:26 PM   #20
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I thought I saw a Mossberg at Academy Sports for $499.

I don't know anything about it though.
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Unread 11-11-2012, 01:37 PM   #21
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Builds a tight rifle. I've purchased 3 of them at Scheels which sells them way under msrp. The last 2 are 223 short stainless bull barrels for $750. http://dpmsinc.com/
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Unread 11-11-2012, 03:13 PM   #22
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if you have 1500 to spend i would look into a ruger sr556. i have been around and shot many ar's and to me the ruger made the others feel like a toy. it is also piston driven and one hell of a rifle.
Ive had a few Ruger hunting rifles and was quite fond of them so I checked out the their AR15 today. was not disappointed and yes they felt more substantial than the Winchester m&p and even the colt. surprised at the comparison. they aren't cheap though.
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To me the main things to look at in an ar are piston( new technology, great, but more expensive ), or gas operated ( good technology, but you need to clean it more ). After that I look at tightness of the rifle. Hold it to your side by the grip and shake it. My brother had a pretty used bushmaster that was loose as a goose. That bushmaster could be field stripped in seconds, while my dpms required tools too push the tight pin out. Even with that I prefer a tight rifle.
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To me the main things to look at in an ar are piston( new technology, great, but more expensive ), or gas operated ( good technology, but you need to clean it more ). After that I look at tightness of the rifle. Hold it to your side by the grip and shake it. My brother had a pretty used bushmaster that was loose as a goose. That bushmaster could be field stripped in seconds, while my dpms required tools too push the tight pin out. Even with that I prefer a tight rifle.
Good post. Was wondering about the piston vs gas operation. Any more info on the mechanics? Im very unsure If I want to build or buy complete. Im sure I could build one but Im a bit overwhelmed with all the options for a build. A comparative from personal experience would be helpful. thanks for the imput
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I'd personally buy one. They start around $700 from dpms. I first bought the 308 panther bull because I wanted it for long range varmint, and deer hunting, but it was too heavy for both. I would highly recommend collapsible stock, short light barrel, and a 223 for cheap rounds. Gas operated means it functions similar to a bolt action but the gas from the spent round travels up a tube and releases the bolt. This causes the spent powder residue to mess with operations after many rounds. A piston rifle works the same way except there is a tiny chamber the gas goes into, pushing a piston and rod. A piston ar is a mix of the best from the ar, and the Ak-47.
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I'd personally buy one. They start around $700 from dpms. I first bought the 308 panther bull because I wanted it for long range varmint, and deer hunting, but it was too heavy for both. I would highly recommend collapsible stock, short light barrel, and a 223 for cheap rounds. Gas operated means it functions similar to a bolt action but the gas from the spent round travels up a tube and releases the bolt. This causes the spent powder residue to mess with operations after many rounds. A piston rifle works the same way except there is a tiny chamber the gas goes into, pushing a piston and rod. A piston ar is a mix of the best from the ar, and the Ak-47.
Excellent. this is the kind of info I need. Looking at the complete rifles today and I couldnt find any with a stock I like and most didnt have a hand guard that I liked. Are these items proprietary or can I put about any brand accessory with any popular brand AR15 platform? Ill be sure to check out dpms, seeing this brand the more I read on the different forums.
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that tiny gas tube is what plugs up with crude and makes it useless. im glad you handled the ruger and know how it is, they are not cheap but it really is the currie lifts of ar's. quad rail, badass sights, the build, the quality. guns are a very good investment. are you lookin for something tactical or original style? any bushmaster,dpms,colt, ruger, smith and wesson m&p, ect. are great guns. also check out used ones. buds gun shop is a great place for some eye candy.
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Unread 11-11-2012, 07:12 PM   #28
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that tiny gas tube is what plugs up with crude and makes it useless. im glad you handled the ruger and know how it is, they are not cheap but it really is the currie lifts of ar's. quad rail, badass sights, the build, the quality. guns are a very good investment. are you lookin for something tactical or original style? any bushmaster,dpms,colt, ruger, smith and wesson m&p, ect. are great guns. also check out used ones. buds gun shop is a great place for some eye candy.
Going tactical this time for rifle and shot gun eventually. I loved the quad rail, was the only one I handled with it. Hated the stock, on all the guns really. I would have to change that out.
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Excellent. this is the kind of info I need. Looking at the complete rifles today and I couldnt find any with a stock I like and most didnt have a hand guard that I liked. Are these items proprietary or can I put about any brand accessory with any popular brand AR15 platform? Ill be sure to check out dpms, seeing this brand the more I read on the different forums.
I think most interchanges. One thing to consider is that the upper handle is the sight, so if you want a scope you have to buy a flat top rifle instead of the traditional. Also for a scope you need really high rings because the ar chassis is strait backbone unlike most rifles. All my ars are flat top with scope high, and a red dot mounted on the front for quick acquisition of running critters.
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Going tactical this time for rifle and shot gun eventually. I loved the quad rail, was the only one I handled with it. Hated the stock, on all the guns really. I would have to change that out.
There is really only a collapsible and non-collapsible. I like collapsible for many reasons, but they are loose and military looking.
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