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ChrisHager 10-22-2013 10:34 AM

Snake Identification
 
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A little while back, I wandered out in the garage and stepped right over the top of this 'fella a couple times before I even saw him. I decided to snap some photos for identification purposes. The quality isn't great as I didn't want to get too close to him. I'm curious what y'all think it is.

For a little information, he was found in my garage in Springfield, IL maybe 3-4 weeks back. I had recently removed a swimming pool, grated the back yard, and had tall fresh grass growing which is right off the back door to the garage. Our neighborhood is surround by trees, corn, and beans. The snake was about a foot long and at the time, didn't seem aggressive. I scooped him up with a shovel and let him go in the yard.

Fast forward to a few days ago, my neighbor found the same snake under a nearby tree. She said it tried to bite both her and her husband. Neither were bit but they said it had fangs.

I thought it looked an awful lot like a fox snake but I've heard many other options as well on what people thought it could be. Does anyone have any good ideas?

A little more information - I had recently picked up the J-10 and had it parked in my garage. I brought it up from down south towards St. Louis. If it looks like a southern snake, there is always the possibility he hitched a ride with us on the way up to Springfield.

Snake in garage:

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...psd53bfc4b.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0f96dfe5.jpg

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9fc707ec.jpg

Fox Snake:

http://www.chicagoherp.org/herps/pics/snake/xfox1.jpg

FourbyFour 10-22-2013 10:38 AM

That, to me, looks like a dead snake if it was in my proximity.

ChrisHager 10-22-2013 10:39 AM

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Haha! I take it you're not a snake person! :)

FourbyFour 10-22-2013 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisHager (Post 17051442)
Haha! I take it you're not a snake person! :)

lol

If I can't ID it and if it's indoors, it's likely going to be killed by some means if I can't safely remove it alive.

GreenliftedTJ97 10-22-2013 10:58 AM

broom & a garbage can, doesn't matter, no reason to kill every snake you see :rolleyes:

Kuntryboy816 10-22-2013 11:26 AM

Almost looks like a Timber Rattler but, of course, no rattle. Fox snake seems like a good candidate but it's hard to tell from the pics. It looks like a venomous breed b/c of the shape of the head but it's still hard to tell. Catch him and open up that mouth to see if he's fanged or not. stick him in a rubermaid box and take him to the woods. You can call animal control if you're not comfortable catching it yourself. If you're going to let it co-habitate with y'all then ou really should find out what type it is.... or join them Snake Salvation fools. :rofl:

Site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snakes_of_Illinois

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pa...tus_emoryi.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:La...alligaster.jpg

vadslram 10-22-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisHager (Post 17051306)
Fox Snake:


But what does it say?

1911fish 10-22-2013 12:36 PM

Its either a Hog nose or a milk snake. If the tip of the nose turns up it is a hog nose. Neither are venomous and both will eat mice and other pests around the house so consider your self lucky and your garage pest free.
FYI-I have been breeding reptiles for 16 years now so I know a thing or two about them

ChrisHager 10-22-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuntryboy816 (Post 17052938)
Almost looks like a Timber Rattler but, of course, no rattle.

We discussed it being a rattle snake. We thought it may be young enough that the rattle hadn't formed yet. In the first picture, you can see how it's trying to get its tail up. The neighbors that came across it a few days ago said there are rattle snakes in the tree line 50-100 yards from my house.

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Originally Posted by Kuntryboy816 (Post 17052938)
It looks like a venomous breed b/c of the shape of the head but it's still hard to tell.

My brother said the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Kuntryboy816 (Post 17052938)
Catch him and open up that mouth to see if he's fanged or not.

The neighbors said he was fanged.

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Originally Posted by vadslram (Post 17054658)
But what does it say?

Ha! I should have saw that coming.

:tea:

ChrisHager 10-22-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 1911fish (Post 17054906)
Its either a Hog nose or a milk snake. If the tip of the nose turns up it is a hog nose. Neither are venomous and both will eat mice and other pests around the house so consider your self lucky and your garage pest free.
FYI-I have been breeding reptiles for 16 years now so I know a thing or two about them

The Hognose snakes are goofy looking little guys! I'm pretty sure the nose was not turned up. I looked at pictures of the milk snake as well and agree it looks quite similar. The one thing throwing me off is Mr. Garage Snake's triangle shaped head...

Indy 10-22-2013 12:55 PM

It's not a fox snake, a milk snake, a rat snake etc. Shape of the head alone says venomous. $1 says the pupils aren't round either. I'd need a better picture of the head to tell you if it falls into the pit viper (rattlesnakes etc) category. All Missouri venomous snakes are pit vipers.

Hognose are venomous/toxic depending on who you talk to, but they are rear fanged not front fanged. OP's pics nose doesn't look pointed enough to be one.

Hit google images for both timber and Massasauga rattlesnakes. Both local to your area.

nwiTJdave 10-22-2013 01:09 PM

Looks Eastern Hog Nose to me

http://mdc.mo.gov/media/image/eastern-hog-nosed-snake

1911fish 10-22-2013 01:23 PM

It is most certainly NOT a rattle snake. yes it has a pronounced head but it is in no way as pronounced as a venomous species. Also the scales are not keeled which all rattle snakes have keeled scales. Yes Hog nose are considered Toxic but not venomous that's why they are legal to own in NJ and yes they are rear fanged. But I am telling you this is a milk snake. It could also be a Hog nose but I would bet a pay check that its a milk snake. and I will bet my entire life saveings that its not a venomous snake.

ChrisHager 10-22-2013 01:25 PM

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Here's another awful, blurry picture but it shows his profile a little.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/...psfaf36778.jpg

Ironhead 10-22-2013 01:31 PM

i'd say fox snake, i've had a few and they look identical, plus are native to illinois. the angle its neck is and the bluriness of the shots could lead to some clarification issues and making it seem like its a different shape. also, foxes are false rattlers and will shake their tail when startled

heres the only pic i have on photobucket of mine with an albino corn. they were only housed together for a few days while i was setting up another tank

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/t...ps45c8c780.jpg


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