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Unread 02-03-2008, 02:29 PM   #31
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Some people don't have much of a choice. My mother was a teacher up north and she joined the union. The rest of the union members didn't make life easy for those who weren't members

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Unread 02-03-2008, 02:43 PM   #32
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Hey listen...

Presuming you are a legal American Citizen with full voting privleges, (that is, not a convicted felon, etc), there is NO ONE, or NO ENTITY who has ANY legal authority to tell you if you can or can't vote, or how to vote.

Sadly, all too often in this country, we see people / organizations ASSUMING non-existant authority, expecting that uninformed people will follow along like blind sheep. But that's another story for another topic.

Whether you want to take a stand and challenge the union bosses for saying this, is a decision only you can make, based on your values, and how you value what it might cost you in retributions.

BUT regardless of whether you challenge it or not... you should GO into that voting booth and VOTE your OWN consicence. It is your Constitutional right. And last time I checked, no mere labor union is above the Constitution.
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Unread 02-03-2008, 03:25 PM   #33
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Originally Posted by ratmonkey View Post
unions are just as important today as they were 100 years ago.

businesses are just as ruthless as they were then, and in some cases are even worse.

do you really think that businesses today want to pay you a living wage? want to cover part of your healthcare? want to pay you if you get hurt on the job?

everything everyone takes for granted in the workforce these days was fought for by unions, and is still being fought for.
That's funny. My employer pays me a living wage, covers ALL of my healthcare costs, and will pay if I get hurt on the job. I'm not union and never will be.
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Unread 02-03-2008, 04:35 PM   #34
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The place that I work at has an open shop union. I wasn't union when I was staff, and now that I'm management, I'm glad I was never sucked in. At least at our place, the only thing the union is good for is for mucking up things. They protect people that shouldn't have been allowed to stay, and barely skate by. I have to have an iron clad reason for discipline. They add a level of complexity that's so unnecessary.

I think unions work well for some industry (my husband is in a union), but it shouldn't be in healthcare. I would never walk out on a patient, I don't care who told me to do it.
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Unread 02-03-2008, 05:05 PM   #35
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Unions can only spend money that is specifically earmarked for political activities. So, they can't spend your Benefits or grievance budget on solicitations for candidates, they have to spend separate Political Action Committee (PAC) money for that.
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Unread 02-03-2008, 07:27 PM   #36
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i know some union masons who worked for awhile then dropped the union and started up their own businesses, they said they didnt like dealing with their crap all the time, and besides that even if the union thinks they would be better off with hillary they shouldnt tell you as an individual how to vote, vote for who you want and wear your favorite canidate to work on a shirt.
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