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RockWoRM 02-02-2008 08:58 PM

Should this pi$$ me off???
 
:brickwall :mad: :thumbdown:


This is about Unions... like or dislike...


:ranton:
I've been a member of a Union all my life. I firmly believe in Unions as far as wages and benifits for jobs, in relation to labor. Being in construction, it has been a big asset.

However, I just got a recorded message from the Union, today, telling me to vote for Hillary, b/c they, have decided that's who I and all other union members should vote for. Why should my monthly union dues go towards politcal garbage, be it Dem OR GOP???

I call BS!!!

ok, I'm done.
:rantoff:

mattman8706 02-02-2008 08:59 PM

is that legal?

MattTheMudder 02-02-2008 09:00 PM

Vote how you want and don't say anything about it. To hell with someone making you vote for who they want. This is a democracy. If they don't like it, too damn bad.

Divinitous 02-02-2008 09:01 PM

I would be pretty pist off, but then again, who cares, you're going to vote for whoever you want to.

Hoobly_Goob 02-02-2008 09:05 PM

its not like they can check your voting records anyway.
but still, that sounds pretty not all the way legal to me
(don't take my word on that)

rowdy1 02-02-2008 09:08 PM

Labor unions have historically backed democratic candidates. I've been a union member most of my life,but I'll be damned if I vote for Hillary.:rolleyes:

GasAxe 02-02-2008 09:14 PM

Don't forget, some of your union dues went to making and sending that message.;)

dz1087 02-02-2008 09:37 PM

Hey, guess what, that's what unions do! They get you in, and tell you how to act. You loose who you are by joining one. Promotions and pay are not based upon how you do, but merely how long you can go without screwing up. Unions had their place in the late 1800's and early 1900's, but today, with the law structure the way it is, they are only a breeding ground for life-long democrats and whinos.

I truly mean no offense to a fellow Jeeper, that is just my view on unions as they stand. My father is in the NEA and acts just like I described. I think they are worthless.

Neener Neener 02-02-2008 09:46 PM

I velieve the NEA (Teacher's Union) has also backed Hitlery......sorry......Hillary. They are also historically Democrat supporters.

Divinitous 02-02-2008 10:10 PM

My brother is part of a union in the city. He has to do a certain amount of hours picketing for the Union. Pretty silly if you ask me.

dz1087 02-02-2008 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neener Neener
I velieve the NEA (Teacher's Union) has also backed Hitlery......sorry......Hillary. They are also historically Democrat supporters.


Yep. He thinks she is the best thing since Clinton #1! ****!

ratmonkey 02-03-2008 01:41 AM

unions are just as important today as they were 100 years ago.

businesses are just as ruthless as they were then, and in some cases are even worse.

do you really think that businesses today want to pay you a living wage? want to cover part of your healthcare? want to pay you if you get hurt on the job?

everything everyone takes for granted in the workforce these days was fought for by unions, and is still being fought for.

MattTheMudder 02-03-2008 01:49 AM

But there are laws these days to protect workers

I've known several people who have been in unions and say they're discouraged from working harder. One of them was in the UAW (I forget which manufacturer) and went to tighten a bolt that he thought looked loose. Got told not to touch it. The rest were also discouraged from putting in extra time or extra effort. I heard of several people that barely did any work, but they couldn't be fired cause they were union

ratmonkey 02-03-2008 03:49 AM

no one should ever work harder than they have to. americans already are asked to do twice the work their parents did for less money(accounting for inflation).
no one should do someone else's job, especially if they aren't qualified for it.

there certainly are some protections that the govt offers workers, but you'd be surprised at just how little there are. and a lot of companies like to disregard them when they can get away with it.

unions are there to keep companies honest. though i do see enough people on the job that wouldn't get by if there wasn't job protection for them.

SlimShady 02-03-2008 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratmonkey (Post 4765102)
unions are just as important today as they were 100 years ago.

In your opinion maybe, but I'm sure most economists would disagree with you, as would most major corporations that have been run into the ground thanks to Union demands with regards to salary, benefits, retirement, work schedules etc.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratmonkey (Post 4765102)
businesses are just as ruthless as they were then, and in some cases are even worse.

No, they aren't, in fact, I challenge you to show me any instance in which a situation such as the Molly McGuires has occurred or even been warranted in the last 25 years in the United States.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratmonkey (Post 4765102)
do you really think that businesses today want to pay you a living wage? want to cover part of your healthcare? want to pay you if you get hurt on the job?

Yes, most of them in fact do, as they understand that keeping quality, trained personnel on hand to perform the job is vastly less expensive than having to train new personnel only to have them run off and join another job because some Union will help them make more money for doing far less work.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ratmonkey (Post 4765102)
everything everyone takes for granted in the workforce these days was fought for by unions, and is still being fought for.

Unions did serve a purpose and they did have their place in the American Workforce..........but that time has come and gone.


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