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Unread 12-30-2007, 06:46 PM   #16
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the body on the patriot is much taller, thats probably why it appears to be higher up.

The suspension is the same on both. The tire/wheel package makes up for that 1/10th of an inch.

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Unread 12-30-2007, 06:48 PM   #17
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With the data right in front of me the roof height on the Compass is 64.2 v Patriots 64.4 - whoopee. The illusion of the Patriot being taller is created by a more vertical windshield and rear window on the Patriot. The GC on the FWD models is 8.0, FD I is 8.4 and the FD II Patriot is 9.0. with up to .15 variation on any of them caused buy marketing's "fudge factors". The MK's are derived from a modified Caliber PM chassis which means that they are not Calibers anymore, at least no more so than a CJ is an MB.

The CVT's use steal as the drive chain not rubber.

The Patriot FD II gets it crawl ratio by having a lower gear for the final drive in the transaxle. FD II @ 8.15 producing a 3.54 final drive v the CVT in the FD I @ 6.12 producing a 2.73 final drive. The is no Hi/Lo transfer case in either one, that's the gears that you live with.
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Unread 12-30-2007, 07:04 PM   #18
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The Compass is a more car-like vehicle. I doubt it could handle anything more than a gravel road. And the XJ was a unibody vehicle also.
yes, the Compass is "more car-like". But I have taken my Compass on backcountry roads (gravel, dirt), and some "roads" (I use that term loosely) to reach some out of the way trailheads in the Adirondacks, and my Compass has done just fine.

And it's been pretty good in the snow as well ... the 2007 Valentine's Day storm dumped 36" of snow here and I didn't have any problems getting around in it, and that was pretty impressive to me.

The Compass' gas mileage has impressed me as well. Certainly far better than what I was getting with my '04 Wrangler.

My Compass is a well-built vehicle, and that's one of the reasons I bought it. No, it's not a Wrangler, nor is it a Cherokee. It's not supposed to be.
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Unread 12-30-2007, 07:09 PM   #19
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i thought roof height to bottom of body was a good couple inches more on the patriot then the compass.

i duno where i got my numbers though
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Unread 12-30-2007, 07:39 PM   #20
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The MK's are derived from a modified Caliber PM chassis which means that they are not Calibers anymore, at least no more so than a CJ is an MB.
Has anyone mentioned that the Compass/Patriot/Caliber(/Lancer) platform is a Mitsubishi platform? Even if the fact that these new "Jeeps" are nothing more than rebadged and slightly modified Dodge Caliber cars isn't enough to shock people, how about the fact that 'The American Legend' is building cars using Japanese platforms?
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Unread 12-30-2007, 07:49 PM   #21
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Has anyone mentioned that the Compass/Patriot/Caliber(/Lancer) platform is a Mitsubishi platform? Even if the fact that these new "Jeeps" are nothing more than rebadged and slightly modified Dodge Caliber cars isn't enough to shock people, how about the fact that 'The American Legend' is building cars using Japanese platforms?
They both are classified as "crossovers" which by industries definition means it's based on a "car chassis". No surprise to me. Jeep needed to fill the void in it's line up.
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Unread 12-31-2007, 09:06 AM   #22
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Has anyone mentioned that the Compass/Patriot/Caliber(/Lancer) platform is a Mitsubishi platform? Even if the fact that these new "Jeeps" are nothing more than rebadged and slightly modified Dodge Caliber cars isn't enough to shock people, how about the fact that 'The American Legend' is building cars using Japanese platforms?
That the compass/patriot are based on a lancer platform does not seem like a bad thing to me. I'd say that the only car with more of a performance rally heritage than a Subie Impreza STI that is avalible here in the states is a Mitsu Lancer Evo.

The compass/patriot are not ment to be replacements for wranglers, but "cutes". As such they look like nice platforms to me.
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Unread 12-31-2007, 11:19 AM   #23
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well, actually the Patriot/Compass MK platform is a 'uni-body' constructed vehicle without a 'frame' like the XJ or any of the Wranglers. the MK is more similar to the Grand Cherokee and Liberty in construction. is that correct, Gramps?

Question: so if a WJ, KJ and MK Patriot can be "Trail Rated", why not the Compass?
You do know the WJ has solid axels right? Its no where near a KJ or MK
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Unread 12-31-2007, 01:36 PM   #24
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Jeep needed to fill the void in it's line up.
Midsize Jeep? Check.
Compact Jeep? Nope.
Topless/Doorless Jeep? Check.

The only void I see here is the one left by the XJ not being properly replaced. The MKs don't fill a 'void', they just added something Jeep was never supposed to have in the first place - cars.
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Unread 12-31-2007, 02:00 PM   #25
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They look more like an Xterra than an XJ.

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Midsize Jeep? Check.
Compact Jeep? Nope.
Topless/Doorless Jeep? Check.

The only void I see here is the one left by the XJ not being properly replaced. The MKs don't fill a 'void', they just added something Jeep was never supposed to have in the first place - cars.

Like the 1948 2 wheel drive Jeepster! Or the original 2 wheel drive Willys "Jeep" station wagon. Four wheel drive didn't showed up until 1949. The Willys wagon was actually mounted on the same 104 inch wheelbase as the prewar Willys Americar but the chassis was modified. In fact, in 1940 Bantam showed the Army a reconnaissance car they had developed from their stock Bantam Roadster. This may be responsible for Bantam getting involved with the bid from the Army for what would later become the first jeep. Lot's of car history in something that was never supposed to have cars.
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The MKs don't fill a 'void', they just added something Jeep was never supposed to have in the first place - cars.
i'm sorry, just where is that 'written'?
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Like the 1948 2 wheel drive Jeepster! Or the original 2 wheel drive Willys "Jeep" station wagon. Four wheel drive didn't showed up until 1949. The Willys wagon was actually mounted on the same 104 inch wheelbase as the prewar Willys Americar but the chassis was modified. In fact, in 1940 Bantam showed the Army a reconnaissance car they had developed from their stock Bantam Roadster. This may be responsible for Bantam getting involved with the bid from the Army for what would later become the first jeep. Lot's of car history in something that was never supposed to have cars.

well said, well spoken!!

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Unread 01-01-2008, 03:11 AM   #29
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My Compass is a well-built vehicle, and that's one of the reasons I bought it. No, it's not a Wrangler, nor is it a Cherokee. It's not supposed to be.
Its also not really a Jeep if its a crossover. Jeeps are SUVs and Crossovers are Feeps (Faux Jeep).
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Unread 01-01-2008, 08:31 AM   #30
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If it has a Jeep name plate, it's a Jeep.

There are some out there that don't care to hear the Jeep being called an SUV and others that can't stand the "classic" Jeep styling. The Patriot fills the "classic" looks and the Compass is there for those that don't. If it wasn't marketable they wouldn't have built it. Voids in the line up are determined by where the Corp can make money from a new undertaking. The MK's being built from a PM platform with a plant, tooling and workforce already in operation was a good investment to keep costs down and push profits up, that's how companies stay in business.

The Compass being competitive in the Rally circuits is yet to be seen but not out of the realm of possibilities.

Speaking of cars, I still wish I had my '41 Willy's coupe. I need help on something: what year of Wrangler/CJ (not sure which) did they make the "Willy's" package?
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