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post #31 of 54 Old 02-27-2009, 12:51 PM
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see I think the 70% is a valid number, just from a couple years ago, I see this big shift happening because of the generation behind me is starting to come into voting age and either because of brainwashing or enlightenment (like my polarities ?) we see a shift left. things come in cycles no doubt and we're swinging back to the left...
Totally agree, it's brainwashing. But the worry I have is the democrats are masters of engineering generational change to maintain control beyond the vote cycle.


how about his response last night? pretty weak, imo. its time to shine and you put forth a racist chinese cop in new orleans?
didn't see it. The reality is Newt is going to run. He would have this year but he knew it was a lost cause. Jindal will as well but I expect he or Demint will get second chair. Palin may try but will never make out of the primaries. Jindal is only 37 and a=has a remarkable career already. In four years he will be far more polished.

yes, particularly moderate women.
I can't disagree, I can only argue percentages so, ok

I think it had more to do with a disenfranchised conservative majority but yeah, the chicks dig black guys. (oops! to politically incorrect?)

I understand our fundamental difference here is that I believe 'gay' to be genetic and you believe it to be 'choice' so until thats resolved we can't resolve our argument.

but I would take the position that gay marriage is the same in concept, as a social taboo, to interracial marriage fifty years ago. just because people voted against it, doesnt mean that it was inherently wrong.
You would be wrong. I currently live with my gay brother and his partner of 10 years. I do not believe it is a choice for most and I used the issue as a example. The public does not like the word marriage being used by gays but I would imagine many would have little issue with civil contracts that recognize the unions of gay couples and allow for the benefits they seek. Silly? Maybe but in a country that is faith based the word marriage has a significant religious and what they see as moral stigma. (Ashame my x-wife forgot that.) Back on point when polled on issues based on conservative values I believe most lean right.

did you happen to see my "Dr Fadl comments on OBL" thread?
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I dont see this, but then again, I didnt see that in Bush, honestly.
Well when you use the words catastrophe and crisis relentlessly and flat out say we will not survive if you do not give me what I want that is fear mongering. **** Morris did an excellent piece on how Obama should have used his hope and glory mantra and it would have helped the perception of disaster which is stymieing the economy more than anything else. But he pointed out Obama's agenda of socialist big government would be a harder sell if we subjects of the state were not fearing for our BMW payment.


what sac? you mean the prima facia objection to the stimulus bill all the while collecting more, as a whole of 'red states' in hand outs, than the blue ones?
Yes. I hope they keep on a roll and remain united.
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post #32 of 54 Old 02-27-2009, 12:58 PM
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I remember about your brother now, apologies. people looking to follow the constitution, like myself, feel that having two separate words 'union' and 'marriage' violates the separate but equal clause of the XIV amendment. make all 'marriages' in the eyes of the law 'civil unions' and let religious organizations have a 'marriage' ceremony and you'll make me happy
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I believe the militia he is speaking of would be more like a refined Black Panther organization....

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I remember about your brother now, apologies. people looking to follow the constitution, like myself, feel that having two separate words 'union' and 'marriage' violates the separate but equal clause of the XIV amendment. make all 'marriages' in the eyes of the law 'civil unions' and let religious organizations have a 'marriage' ceremony and you'll make me happy
I would be extremely happy with that. Marriage was originally a religious concept anyway. But I fear not matter what, it will never be "enough".

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Obama's amateur hour will start haunting him when his plan's like cap & trade, tax credits (welfare), appeasing foreign policy, massive oppressive government etc etc weaken us as a power, kill yet more jobs and send us toward bankruptcy as a nation. His fear mongering makes Bush's look like child's play. He has perpetuated the "crisis" mantra strictly as political ammunition. He ran as a moderate but is agenda is liberal socialism and he means to destroy the historical ideology of a free nation rooted in personal responsibility and small government that we once were. He is far more dangerous than I had thought he would be.

some say he is an illegal alien and a usurper and should to be in levingworth, or deported back to indonesia. if they can only get passed his team of lawyers and get a birth certificate to prove his natural-born status. they checked mccain out thouroughly but only glanced at bho. i have to show a drivers liscense to get a membership at the gym. guess the constitution is dust.
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Nazi Germany's "Brownshirts", U.S.S.A.'s "Barrackshirts".

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Nazi Germany's "Brownshirts", U.S.S.A.'s "Barrackshirts".
Fascism and Socialism aren't exactly compatible philosophies so the analogy is a poor one.

"Sandstorms inflict damage of about $540 million per year, and losses of crops and forests due to acid rain amount to about $730 million per year. More serious are the $6 billion costs of the "green wall" of trees being built to shield Beijing against sand and dust, and the $7 billion per year of losses created by pest species. We enter the zone of impressive numbers when we consider the onetime cost of the 1996 floods ($27 billion, but still cheaper than the 1998 floods), the annual direct losses due to desertification ($42 billion), and the annual losses due to water and air pollution ($54 billion). The combination of the latter two items alone costs China the equivalent of 14% of its GDP each year." - Jared Diamond, Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed
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Fascism and Socialism aren't exactly compatible philosophies so the analogy is a poor one.
Actually they are, because socialism takes from people for the "collective good". People are naturally independent and buck that idea, therefore they have to be forced into compliance. We may hate Obamas tax policy or his new gun laws, but there are penalties, thus the submission.
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That's a stretch.

"Sandstorms inflict damage of about $540 million per year, and losses of crops and forests due to acid rain amount to about $730 million per year. More serious are the $6 billion costs of the "green wall" of trees being built to shield Beijing against sand and dust, and the $7 billion per year of losses created by pest species. We enter the zone of impressive numbers when we consider the onetime cost of the 1996 floods ($27 billion, but still cheaper than the 1998 floods), the annual direct losses due to desertification ($42 billion), and the annual losses due to water and air pollution ($54 billion). The combination of the latter two items alone costs China the equivalent of 14% of its GDP each year." - Jared Diamond, Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed
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I remember about your brother now, apologies. people looking to follow the constitution, like myself, feel that having two separate words 'union' and 'marriage' violates the separate but equal clause of the XIV amendment. make all 'marriages' in the eyes of the law 'civil unions' and let religious organizations have a 'marriage' ceremony and you'll make me happy
Have no problem with that what so ever.

Back to the thread topic. I think his militia is actually a further renewal of the piece corps and other volunteer civic minded duty, except he is bringing back a draft by making it mandatory. Now I have no issue with fresh mush brains having to due three months mandatory basic training. Could have unintended consequences for the left when the rough necks start breaking the panty waste out of junior and end up creating more of us evil conservatives.
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That's a stretch.





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I think they're both ridiculous.

"Sandstorms inflict damage of about $540 million per year, and losses of crops and forests due to acid rain amount to about $730 million per year. More serious are the $6 billion costs of the "green wall" of trees being built to shield Beijing against sand and dust, and the $7 billion per year of losses created by pest species. We enter the zone of impressive numbers when we consider the onetime cost of the 1996 floods ($27 billion, but still cheaper than the 1998 floods), the annual direct losses due to desertification ($42 billion), and the annual losses due to water and air pollution ($54 billion). The combination of the latter two items alone costs China the equivalent of 14% of its GDP each year." - Jared Diamond, Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed
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Have no problem with that what so ever.

Back to the thread topic. I think his militia is actually a further renewal of the piece corps and other volunteer civic minded duty,
agreed - the link I posted above points that out.

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except he is bringing back a draft by making it mandatory.
from what I've read - it wont be mandatory but you will be alloted money to help with college education if you choose to participate.

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ntegrate service into learning:
Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
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you mean like how we have the SS?
Like camaro's right??

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He just wants his own 'Brown Shirts.' C'mon guys, let Dear Leader Chairman Maobama have his own force to deny rights and create his socialist Utopia, you are all so racist.

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